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Post by wiiboy on May 7, 2008 0:30:36 GMT -5
Well I am glad we have forums that allow any kind of discussions as long as it's not trolling or spamming. There is an anonymous forum I go to and it is very good. Even if Politically Incorrect speech is allowed. Freedom of Speech reigns supreme. Even if people do not like what the other one is saying. Even if fights over the internet break out, that kind of makes it cool because it's a bunch of anon people arguing over the internet. Which makes it look really really dumb. Anyways, my point is, PC should be judged on your moral guide. Most people won't use the term black people if they feel it's not right and a good majority of Americans believe this is so. To racist that go ahead and uses the N word, well let them pay the price themselves when they getting into a fight. Freedom of Speech is tricky, cool, fun, and amusing at the same time.
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Post by sgthydra on May 12, 2008 1:16:04 GMT -5
Well I am glad we have forums that allow any kind of discussions as long as it's not trolling or spamming. There is an anonymous forum I go to and it is very good. Even if Politically Incorrect speech is allowed. Freedom of Speech reigns supreme. Even if people do not like what the other one is saying. Even if fights over the internet break out, that kind of makes it cool because it's a bunch of anon people arguing over the internet. Which makes it look really really dumb. Anyways, my point is, PC should be judged on your moral guide. Most people won't use the term black people if they feel it's not right and a good majority of Americans believe this is so. To racist that go ahead and uses the N word, well let them pay the price themselves when they getting into a fight. Freedom of Speech is tricky, cool, fun, and amusing at the same time. I spy with my little eye a VIOLATOR OF RULES 1 AND 2! Lol, jking. In reality there is no such thing as free speech in America. Its similar to the old joke about the USSR's "glasnost" or "openess" policy: You have free speech, but afterwards the government gives you another freedom: a free cell. As long as there is the punishment for what you say afterwards, then there cannot be free speech. I myself have seen the horrors of the after-speech punishment on several sites. You say something they find unacceptable, doesn't have to be spam or trolling, could be a joke thread or a political view point, and they ban your stupid --- for it. Freedom of speech should be the freedom to say anything (without causing actual damage, like screaming fire in a movie theater) without being harmed for saying it. Racism is sheer ignorance and is the same as a baby babbling. I quote a sci-fi game to prove my point: "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." -Commissioner Pravin Lal from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
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Post by spiritmage234 on May 12, 2008 12:18:41 GMT -5
You are correct sgthydra. So long as there are going to be hyper sensitive, politically correct people in America, there is no such thing as free speech.
Hell, we don't even have freedom of speech on this forum as a matter of fact...
And I'm not even talking about the censorship stuff.
I see that a lot threats are particulary, biased, when it does even have a particular agreeance. Example: a thread titled "Naruto Fan Club" obviously devotes posts that are in praise of the series instead of criticism, while a thread titled "Naruto" simply means a thread about Naruto. Nothing specific. You are free to praise or criticize the series as you please. Cept if the ratio of Naruto fans to critics is 2:1, anybody who says something like, "Naruto isn't all that good," or "I don't like this series", 98% chance you'll get your @$$ flamed and smoked in that thread by the fans. I'm not kidding. I said some criticism about Degrassi in their thread, and - well, you know.
I'm still not retracting my opinion. I am entitled to one.
Same for some advice threads. I'm sure the actual person who created the thread wants to hear EVERY viewpoint, even if it's concidered harsh. It seems like the first four people who post a "calmer" or more "placid" piece of advice win out, and anybody who wants to say something like, "Stop being a wuss and just stand up to your mom. You're not 12: you're 21." can't say it without being labeled "insensitive" or a "b!tch".
I've said stuff that people might have thought was wrong, or label me as "intolerate" or "racist" without even given a valid explanation.
But, ya know, with every 100 people who disagree with you, there's going to be 100 people who will agree with you. So there. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. If you don't like someones opinion, rebuttle with your own PLAUSIBLE opinion (No. Calling out "You're such a racist!" is not plausible.), or suck it up, and move on.
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Post by 2X the All-Powerful! on May 20, 2008 19:49:46 GMT -5
^Indeed
We're allowed to say what we want, as long as its what other people want to hear. Where the hell is that freedom of speech?
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Post by sgthydra on May 20, 2008 20:09:19 GMT -5
^Indeed We're allowed to say what we want, as long as its what other people want to hear. Where the hell is that freedom of speech? Actually, that's pretty much how freedom of speech is defined. "You may say anything as long as it doesn't harm others." Harm others? What if it's the truth? What then?
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Post by spiritmage234 on May 22, 2008 14:08:59 GMT -5
^With this, and the immaturity of Americans, interest groups use this to their advantage. If you say something that opposes their views publically, they'll sue the hell out of you.
I mean, so long as the KKK doesn't bother ME, they can go on hating everybody who isn't for the antebellum South and say what they wan't publically.
In these instances, people who thrive on publically berating groups - like that Westboro Baptist Church -just want the attention because it strengthens them. If you just ignore them, they might cease to exist. Don't call them out. Just ignore them.
Actions speak louder than words after all, so when they start attacking you physically, then you can do something.
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Post by sgthydra on May 25, 2008 0:41:46 GMT -5
^With this, and the immaturity of Americans, interest groups use this to their advantage. If you say something that opposes their views publically, they'll sue the hell out of you. I mean, so long as the KKK doesn't bother ME, they can go on hating everybody who isn't for the antebellum South and say what they wan't publically. In these instances, people who thrive on publically berating groups - like that Westboro Baptist Church -just want the attention because it strengthens them. If you just ignore them, they might cease to exist. Don't call them out. Just ignore them. Actions speak louder than words after all, so when they start attacking you physically, then you can do something. Here's a scary fact: Every single year, the KKK and other white supremisists hold a rally in Portland. And its perfectly legal. In fact, the government protects it. Nazis can hold rallies honoring Hitler. I say words speak just as loud as actions, and we should expect people to act on what they say.
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Post by historyman12 on May 25, 2008 10:50:09 GMT -5
^With this, and the immaturity of Americans, interest groups use this to their advantage. If you say something that opposes their views publically, they'll sue the hell out of you. I mean, so long as the KKK doesn't bother ME, they can go on hating everybody who isn't for the antebellum South and say what they wan't publically. In these instances, people who thrive on publically berating groups - like that Westboro Baptist Church -just want the attention because it strengthens them. If you just ignore them, they might cease to exist. Don't call them out. Just ignore them. Actions speak louder than words after all, so when they start attacking you physically, then you can do something. Here's a scary fact: Every single year, the KKK and other white supremisists hold a rally in Portland. And its perfectly legal. In fact, the government protects it. Nazis can hold rallies honoring Hitler. I say words speak just as loud as actions, and we should expect people to act on what they say. And non-KKK members can hold rallies against them. Perfectly legal. It's not like only the KKK and other bad men can hold rallies and parades. Heck, I hold a rally supporting the construction of purple pandas in town's whose names have seven letters, have at least 25 people who can speak pig latin, and 10 who play air guitar if I get a permit. Free speech is freer than it seems.
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Post by spiritmage234 on May 26, 2008 9:43:12 GMT -5
^Sure is. I think the thing is is that people shun speech that isn't for a cause or something, be it "good" or "bad". We link the word "cause" with "organization". I think that's why people don't take the freedoms of speech and assembly to it's full advantage.
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Post by sgthydra on Jun 2, 2008 0:16:54 GMT -5
Here's a scary fact: Every single year, the KKK and other white supremisists hold a rally in Portland. And its perfectly legal. In fact, the government protects it. Nazis can hold rallies honoring Hitler. I say words speak just as loud as actions, and we should expect people to act on what they say. And non-KKK members can hold rallies against them. Perfectly legal. It's not like only the KKK and other bad men can hold rallies and parades. Heck, I hold a rally supporting the construction of purple pandas in town's whose names have seven letters, have at least 25 people who can speak pig latin, and 10 who play air guitar if I get a permit. Free speech is freer than it seems. Only problem is, when we hold rallies against them, its our homes that get firebombed. Fear and Intimidation are not covered in free speech, nor were they ever intended to be.
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Post by silentxorchestra on Jun 3, 2008 16:33:10 GMT -5
Well, first off, I know that political correctness was created as a force of good to prevent racist, homophobic and/or sexist people from using slurs to refer to people, such as refering to a Black or African person as a "n*gger" or a homosexual as a "f*g" and etc. But, political correctness as created more problems in itself. I have a bit with racial political correctness the most. While the notion is good, it creates more identity problems. Like with the term "Hispanic". Now I know there are a lot of native Spanish-speakers who are for the term and a lot of Spanish-speakers who are equally against it. The thing with racial politcal correctness, is that in society - or at least American society since that's the society that I've come know best - a lot of people like to clump a group of people with sometimes one common trait together and base a "fact" (i.e. a stereotype) on that group in it's entirety. So if people see the term "hispanic", more than likely, the words that pop in their head are "Mexico", "tacos", "burritos", "illegal" and "Spanish". And I'm not saying that all people make this assumption. I'm talking about the ignorant people, not necessarily stupid, because hey, some people just don't know any better. And on the Census, anybody who is descended from a Spanish-speaking country is considered "hispanic", and I read a comment in the "race and dating" thread that people who came to the United States, say from, Columbia, don't call themselves "hispanic". I know they wouldn't, since that's a U.S. term. But another thing that irks me is the fact that people who come from the actual Spain - in all of it's magnificent glory - will be grouped with "hispanics" as well. Now, Spain is in Europe, and since on the census, all Europeans are concidered "White" (which is another political correct thing gone array), wouldn't that make them just as European as the country directly above them (in case some of you don't know your geography, that would be France)? So how come on any stadardized form where you are required to fill in your race, how is it that the "White/Caucasian" bubble as in parenthesis "non-hispanic"? The thing that overall gets me about the "hispanic" term is that, I don't understand how speaking a langauge defines a race. I think the best analogy I can come up with to compete with this is like saying that all native English-speakers are one race. And the thing is, with both Spanish speaking and English speaking countries, is that, the customs and cultures vary from country to country. I know that Spanish-speaking countries have a lot in common, but, they don't all do the same thing. You can't rightfully compare Mexican culture with Spanish culture. That's like comparing culture from the United States with Australian culture. I mean, did you know that a thumbs-up in America is the equivalent to the middle finger in Australia? That's how different the two countries are. And, you can be Chinese, Tanzanian, or Lakota and speak Spanish as a first language... Just like you could be either of the three and speak English as a first langauge, except if you speak English, you can put down Asian, Native American, or African on the bubble-form thing in stead of hispanic/latino/a. That's just one political correct term out of three dozen. I think if people take this discussion maturely and don't call out "racist" or sexist" at every comment, this thread will be good to go and I will thoroughly enjoy debating/discussing it. Yes Spanish people are white. I'm from Europe BTW. I've never understood the whole politically correct titles thing. To be honest I try to stay away from it. People are too easily offended these days..
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Jun 4, 2008 17:53:19 GMT -5
so your saying that minority parents don't care how good they do. minorites tend to do worse in school because they tend to be in the lower class than whites or Asians. therefore, it is harder for them to go to college so why even bother if you don't have the money. also kids that are usually poorer are not offered as many extra curriculars our learning resources as richer people. that is why there is a divide.
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