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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 2, 2008 22:27:15 GMT -5
ummm am not sure, we defently know more abut iroh than "whats his name" so you really cant be too sure plus i think only the avatar can be born againg. and even if it were true the cycle is: Water, Earth, Fire, Air. so even if "whats his name" was reincarinted he would be a water bender not a fire bender. excuse my lazzyness of not seeing how to spell that guys name and my bad spelling over all I am sorry but could you at least spell the name badly instead of not at all, I can't tell what you are talking about -_-' If someone else can tell please post it
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 3, 2008 2:17:14 GMT -5
ummm am not sure, we defently know more abut iroh than "whats his name" so you really cant be too sure plus i think only the avatar can be born againg. and even if it were true the cycle is: Water, Earth, Fire, Air. so even if "whats his name" was reincarinted he would be a water bender not a fire bender. excuse my lazzyness of not seeing how to spell that guys name and my bad spelling over all I am sorry but could you at least spell the name badly instead of not at all, I can't tell what you are talking about -_-' If someone else can tell please post it Monk Gyatso whos possible reincarnation into Iroh is the basic point of this thread from my reading.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 3, 2008 22:35:22 GMT -5
I am sorry but could you at least spell the name badly instead of not at all, I can't tell what you are talking about -_-' If someone else can tell please post it Monk Gyatso whos possible reincarnation into Iroh is the basic point of this thread from my reading. Yes, I am pretty sure the Avatar is the only one who is able to reincarnate, but if thats is not the case, that doesn't mean the elemental cycle is required for anyone else reincarnating
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Post by element. on Jul 5, 2008 11:00:18 GMT -5
I dont think hes reincarnated, because there both from different nations. But, Iroh does have the same personality as Mong Giatsu, because they both care about their pupils, Aang and Zuko, and there both very old wise people.
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Post by Taintedmushroom on Jul 5, 2008 11:33:19 GMT -5
^I don't really think nation matters at all in reincarnation. Unless of course you're talking about the Avatar, who infact gets reincarnated into the next nation/kingdom/whatever. Oh and the only thing we know about reincarnation in the Avatar World is that the Avatar gets reincarnated, it's never told us others do, but that doesn't mean that they don't either.
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 5, 2008 18:24:05 GMT -5
I think it would be more correct to say that the Avatar is an incarnation of a divine spirit. The creators of the show could not have been unaware of the hindu origins of the word and the fact that there are temples to the Avatar bears this definition out. The question of whether spirits of otherwise mortal people can be reincarnated is not explored but I dont see why not. Now as Katara might say, stop talking and just hold hands.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 5, 2008 18:37:26 GMT -5
I think it would be more correct to say that the Avatar is an incarnation of a divine spirit. The creators of the show could not have been unaware of the hindu origins of the word and the fact that there are temples to the Avatar bears this definition out. The question of whether spirits of otherwise mortal people can be reincarnated is not explored but I dont see why not. Now as Katara might say, stop talking and just hold hands. Isn't that usually what the term "avatar" means?
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 5, 2008 20:27:59 GMT -5
^ Maybe in Ohio. Ask most people on an internet forum what an avatar is and they'll point you to the little picture to the left of their post.
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Post by Zenjamin on Jul 5, 2008 20:35:02 GMT -5
This is a good theory, and good job on picking up on the similarties... but it doesnt work out.
I bevive M&B was trying to draw parallels between Iroh and Gyatso, but mainly as another way to draw parallels between Aang and Zuko. They wanted us to see Iroh and Gyatso as the wise, fun loving, father figures in Aang/Zuko's life.
If they were going to reveal that Iroh was the reincarnation of Gyatso, then Iroh would have joined the Gaang as Aangs teacher, cementing the link between Iroh and Aang, instead of having him remain Zuko's wise charcter.]
However, if they do a spin-off series abhout Iroh, anything is possible.
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 6, 2008 11:47:48 GMT -5
^ Maybe in Ohio. Ask most people on an internet forum what an avatar is and they'll point you to the little picture to the left of their post. No, that kind of avatar is a slang term based off of the meaning of the term Avatar, which basically is the mortal-like being of a divine being, which is why the term avatar means little picture I use to associate myself with This is a good theory, and good job on picking up on the similarties... but it doesnt work out. I bevive M&B was trying to draw parallels between Iroh and Gyatso, but mainly as another way to draw parallels between Aang and Zuko. They wanted us to see Iroh and Gyatso as the wise, fun loving, father figures in Aang/Zuko's life. If they were going to reveal that Iroh was the reincarnation of Gyatso, then Iroh would have joined the Gaang as Aangs teacher, cementing the link between Iroh and Aang, instead of having him remain Zuko's wise charcter.] However, if they do a spin-off series abhout Iroh, anything is possible. Or... Gyatso and Iroh are just two happy guys, is that so odd that in a whole universe two guys are happy?
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 6, 2008 13:32:00 GMT -5
No, that kind of avatar is a slang term based off of the meaning of the term Avatar, which basically is the mortal-like being of a divine being, which is why the term avatar means little picture I use to associate myself with Now youre being pedantic. You asked what the term usually means so I referred to an alternative common ussage of the word. Strictly speaking, referring to a homosexual as "gay" can be defined as a slang as well. So what?
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 6, 2008 14:59:37 GMT -5
No, that kind of avatar is a slang term based off of the meaning of the term Avatar, which basically is the mortal-like being of a divine being, which is why the term avatar means little picture I use to associate myself with Now youre being pedantic. You asked what the term usually means so I referred to an alternative common ussage of the word. Strictly speaking, referring to a homosexual as "gay" can be defined as a slang as well. So what? I was being rhetoric when I "asked" something, and you said I was wrong, not that it is an alternate meaning of the word
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 6, 2008 18:30:42 GMT -5
^ok then, you rhetorically asked "Isnt that what it usually means?" which implied the definition of Avatar that I posted was the usual one used and- perhaps rhetorically implying- that I wasted my time posting it (if Im wrong on the last part, let me know- we seem to be reading so much into each other's posts). I replied "Ask most people on an internet forum what an avatar is and they'll point you to the little picture to the left of their post" clearly indicating a commonly used alternative definition. Where did I ever say that either usage or definition was wrong? I posted both of them, after all!
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Post by ƒelinoel on Jul 6, 2008 19:41:02 GMT -5
^ok then, you rhetorically asked "Isnt that what it usually means?" which implied the definition of Avatar that I posted was the usual one used and- perhaps rhetorically implying- that I wasted my time posting it (if Im wrong on the last part, let me know- we seem to be reading so much into each other's posts). I replied "Ask most people on an internet forum what an avatar is and they'll point you to the little picture to the left of their post" clearly indicating a commonly used alternative definition. Where did I ever say that either usage or definition was wrong? I posted both of them, after all! My apologies, first of all you took my statement more literally then I expected you to, and secondly I enjoyed the subject of mythology when I was younger and I guess thats how I knew about the whole Avatar thing while I assumed it was common knowledge
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 6, 2008 20:18:02 GMT -5
No worries. I dont suppose Asian mythology is a very common interest amongst many youngsters these days (even in Asia) so I guess you cant count yourself lucky.
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