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Post by kyogoon on Jul 19, 2008 16:18:11 GMT -5
Nah, I still think Maiko is the best Zuko ship and you can multi-ship. Not so much in this poll but still. Yah, I like Maiko the best out of the Zuko ships. Toko's cute, but I love it as a big brother and little sister sense. And I still like Kataang and Sukka.
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Post by Zenjamin on Jul 19, 2008 17:11:25 GMT -5
O I disagree. the big sibling relationship can work with anybody. but Toko has the depth/synergy crutial for a long term relaionship. and besides, I believe there will be a pic tonight hinting of a romantic Toko relationship, though it is likely her teasing Zuko
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Post by Azula's Flames on Jul 19, 2008 17:32:41 GMT -5
or trying to make Sokka jealus :/ Toko is my second favourite Toph ship but I really dont want to see her lonely dont the writters know that unrequented love always turns characters in to tangled up balls of bitterness (I know I have lol) I forsee in the future after EIP WAT and said cap there will be many Toko fanfics where Mai has died a sudden death from sickness to make room (I know I've all ready read a particularly good one)
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Post by Kataang101 on Jul 19, 2008 18:18:35 GMT -5
Kataang is obviously my favorite one. It was my first ship to support and the one i thought ,when i first heard about, it would happen. Just love how they both connect with each other. Also how they support each other at times of need.
Then i have Sukka, my second favorite. After Yue and him kinda died (no pun intended lol) I kinda thought, what about Suki? It quickly grew on me so now its my second fave.
Lastly Maiko. Zuko and Mai I think is really awesome. From their childhood they already had small crushes on each other and already i knew that this is a great ship. (plus there was no space for Zutara lol).
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 19, 2008 19:47:33 GMT -5
^^ Yeah, Im still with Maiko. Toph and Zuko have a connection because of Iroh but I dont see it going beyond friendship.
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Post by Zenjamin on Jul 20, 2008 0:17:18 GMT -5
Again. I would love some reasoning behind those statements to contradict any of my previous points.
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Post by aquavi on Jul 20, 2008 2:46:01 GMT -5
Honestly Zenjamin, all shipping ever is is personal preference. I personally don't like any of the canon ships (Kataang never did anything for me, same with George even if it did have it's moments post-TBR and Maiko... I believe to be possibly the worst romance written that I have encountered) but that doesn't a) stop them from being canon and/or b) stop other people from shipping them. If people don't see Zuko and Toph going far beyond a friendship then that's that. I personally don't see Zuko and Katara going far beyond a solid friendship and let's face it, there's a large faction of shippers who would disagree with me on that.
Friendship is an important base for most romances, and whether is goes beyond that depends on who's holding the pen/at the keyboard/whatever.
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Post by kataangkawaii on Jul 23, 2008 12:54:20 GMT -5
I love Kataang! they're perfect for each other. I never supported Zutara But I started to see it about halfway through the Sozin's comet movie. However, I am glad Katara chose Aang it would be really sad if Katara didn't like him since Aang has loved her since her first saw her I like Maiko too but if Toph was a few years older I would definatly support Toko <3 I have a new thread here. I am sorry I didn't know about this one when I started it. Apologies. distanthorizons.proboards31.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=avrelations&thread=19464&page=1#941772
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Post by liz6363 on Jul 24, 2008 8:58:30 GMT -5
I only chose 2, Tokka and Kataang... But Tokka is definetly my OTP. I just love how sweet their friendship is... And I'm not a Suki hater, but I do think that the relationship was based on 30 seconds of one episode and then Suki sort of.... dissapeared for a couple of seasons. Where as Toph and Sokka are always togethor and are constantly growing closer. And they trust each other more then anyone else, it's just perfect in my opinion... but it's bryke's opinion that matters *shrug*
Also, it's so much fun to ship on here because the ship is small enough that you get to know the other Tokka supporters really well, but it's big enough that the thread is for the most part on the first page and people post in it regularly.
I'm a little dissapointed at the number of Tokka votes though :zufrown:
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Post by ZamKenobi on Jul 24, 2008 9:43:10 GMT -5
Honestly Zenjamin, all shipping ever is is personal preference. I personally don't like any of the canon ships (Kataang never did anything for me, same with George even if it did have it's moments post-TBR and Maiko... I believe to be possibly the worst romance written that I have encountered) but that doesn't a) stop them from being canon and/or b) stop other people from shipping them. If people don't see Zuko and Toph going far beyond a friendship then that's that. I personally don't see Zuko and Katara going far beyond a solid friendship and let's face it, there's a large faction of shippers who would disagree with me on that. Friendship is an important base for most romances, and whether is goes beyond that depends on who's holding the pen/at the keyboard/whatever. This is the basic truth of all shipping. It seems obvious but we tend to lose it in our debating a lot. We can argue all we want about why certain characters would do well together, but the truth is it all comes down to personal preference because anyone can come up with valid reasons for why any character can do well with another (unless maybe the other character is psychotic or evil....nah, even then sometimes people make it work). Whether you ship a pairing because you think they'd do well together or you think up reasons for liking a pairing because you like the pairing's chemistry, it all amounts to personal preference in the end. We can rationalize and dismiss shippers, saying that a person is stupid/childish/a teenage girl for shipping pairing X, but at the end of the day, does it make one pairing better than the other? Is Zutara really less of a ship because more teenagers like it? (Which from most of the polls I've seen it's actually upper teens and lower twenties with a few more sprinkled around higher ages) Would Kataang be less of a ship if more little kids liked it? (which most polls disprove, and we can't assume that younger children automatically like Kataang. How do we know they aren't gagging at romance in general?) The answer is no because it doesn't matter whether age is a determining factor in liking a pairing. Having an older fandom doesn't make the pairing itself more mature, just like being canon doesn't make the pairing itself better. I think I just went off on an off-topic tangent there, but my point is we can debate forever and no one will ever come out on top mainly because these characters aren't real so we don't know how their relationships would actually turn out. Predicting based on psychology or how compatible they are doesn't work either mainly because there are people in the real world who aren't compatible at all to most people who get together and stay together everyday. I'm not saying that we can't have reasons for liking what we do and talk about them, I just don't see the point in debating anymore. I like Maiko too but if Toph was a few years older I would definatly support Toko <3 Do you necessarily have to ship characters at the age they are in the show? I ship Toko, but I like it better when she's a few years older, not because I have a problem with the age difference, but because I honestly have a problem shipping 12 year olds with anyone but 12 year olds. Younger relationships seem more innocent while I want more mature things for the older characters (not necessarily dirty things, but I have a problem seeing 12 year olds making out or even going on dates....or basically interacting in a serious romantic way in general). Not trying to convert you, just wondering why Toph's age is a problem.
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Post by nymphadora on Jul 24, 2008 9:53:22 GMT -5
I've never thought shipping was based on fact as much as it was blindly believing in something that intrigues you. That's all it has ever been to me. I ship Zutara and Tokka and while neither have had the happy ending I would have liked, I still believe in them. Being in canon is great, but I don't love my ships any less now. I don't see why it matters so much to some to try and point out little things in the series just to tell someone that they are wrong for liking something. :/ ;D Oh and I retracted my "other" vote so Tokka was above it.
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Post by Ana on Jul 24, 2008 11:35:55 GMT -5
We can argue all we want about why certain characters would do well together, but the truth is it all comes down to personal preference because anyone can come up with valid reasons for why any character can do well with another (unless maybe the other character is psychotic or evil....nah, even then sometimes people make it work). Whether you ship a pairing because you think they'd do well together or you think up reasons for liking a pairing because you like the pairing's chemistry, it all amounts to personal preference in the end. I kind of agree with this. Shipping is just personal preference but I do not think one could justify any characters being together. For instance, Bumi/Toph couldn't work because it wouldn't be legal and they would always argue who was the better Earthbender. Also, sometimes canon contradicts preference. Some people would have preferred Kataang to be one-sided forever and for Katara to move onto to Zuko but… I’m sure we all remember the two final kisses. Debating may just be saying one’s opinion but I think its fine. It doesn’t happen often but you end up widening someone’s opinion. What does Zuko bring to the table to help Mai that no other guy could? What does Mai bring to the table to help Zuko that no other girl could. This is a bit back but I figured I might as well address it. Zuko brings Mai out of her shell (see: The Boling Rock). Without Zuko, Mai would probably just be a girl who let things happen around her. Mai brings Zuko familiarly. Mai has years of loving of Zuko that no other girl can replace and she can comfort Zuko with personal knowledge of Azula, Ursa, and others. Going by canon, it seems all Toph comfort Zuko with is a bit of knowledge of Iroh.
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Post by aquavi on Jul 24, 2008 17:52:36 GMT -5
If you guys want to discuss 'Why ship debates happen' it's because people want to discuss what could become canon- I think the conversation often gets derailed and thus argumentative leading to 'debate' because person A is going to interpret different then person B and therein lies the primary issue with shipping fandom on the whole (in my experience anyway); people expect themselves to be right because of XYZ which they believe to be plain as day and then somebody else comes along and says "Well that doesn't make sense because of 123!" and then people just forget to enjoy the series, their ship and possibly fandom itself. The ships I happen to detest (not just in ATLA fandom mind you) happen to have fandoms where the shippers are just far too dang uppity and argumentative towards any rival ship regardless of what direction canon is going (or how well it's going in said direction.) If people would lighten up and realize that the 'Great Ship Debate' isn't a debate at all because no one wins fandom would have less splooge.
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Post by aetherlastrose on Jul 26, 2008 12:10:32 GMT -5
Hope anyone doesn't mind me bursting in on this chaos, but I feel I've got to say something. Myself, I'm more into what you people may call "crackships" (as evidenced by my sig.). Yeah... Zukaang is, I am sorry to say, my favorite ATLA ship. Azutara comes in a close second. I'm a bit neutral on the whole Kataang thing. It's like, "If they get together, fine, whatever, I don't really care." It was expected, anyway, you know? And I completely missed the whole Zutara VS. Kataang battle. I mean, seriously? I didn't even know Zutara existed. I guess I didn't really see it, considering all the Kataang implications they inserted in there. Like 'The Cave of Two Lovers' episode (forgive me if I get the title wrong...). And when Aang kissed Katara right before the invasion. So I figured Kataang was eventual. A bit sad, but it was expected. Not very original, though. *sigh*
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