attonbitus
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Iroh
Oct 15, 2007 10:46:38 GMT -5
Post by attonbitus on Oct 15, 2007 10:46:38 GMT -5
I will say one thing, fat Iroh looked like he was going to sacrifice himself at some point in S3. Buff Iroh looks to kick butt and take names. With emo/crazy Zuko doing stupid stuff, i can seek iroh knocking some sense into him instead.
Iroh tried the reasonable path to persuade zuko now it's time put him down a few pegs.
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
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Iroh
Oct 15, 2007 12:17:25 GMT -5
Post by Zenjamin on Oct 15, 2007 12:17:25 GMT -5
am i cruel for smiling and laughing at what you just said attonbitus? ;D Anyways. We love Iroh, he’s a good guy. He deserves the world. He’s got to get the girl. We all know that Iroh' been the playful little flirt in the past. But I’m starting to think Iroh should have his own ship. One that, with a buff Iroh, will soon become much more popular. urro/irsa Iroh and Ursa inevitably had interaction. We know that Ursa is MUCH more personality paired with Iroh then Ozi. It is even likely that Ursa was originally set to marry Iroh. A high ranking noble like her being pre-arranged to marry the fire lord. Iroh was expected to be the next fire-lord. Hell, Iroh may have even courted her in preparation, thinking she was going to be his wife. (assuming his wife died in child birth as is assumed) Hell, this even makes it a possibility (though an unlikely one) that Iroh is really zuko's father. So many possibilities for this ship... I’ve never thought about it so deeply before. But I now officially ship Irursa/Urro. Also. Iroh's new hunky bod makes the fandom more accepting to Iroh ships. Hell, ive heard more then a few of our younger female members call Iroh sexy this is/was its official thread. But it was made a long time ago and didn’t get much attention. Also it was mainly born of a theory that zuko was really Iroh's son. But I like this ship for itself. I would love for the season to end with Ozi dead, Iroh firelord(as he should have been), Ursa his wife, and zuko their son. (unoffical or not, i dont care) Because zuko is just too much of a mess to take on that responsibility within the end of the summer. he needs a childhood with Iroh and Ursa there as parental figures. **imagines general Iroh, the dragon of the west. and lady Ursa. leading a fire nation army against Ozi.** Those two united together would make Ozi an illegitimate ruler in the eyes of many.
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Iroh
Oct 15, 2007 14:38:32 GMT -5
Post by paintedgirl on Oct 15, 2007 14:38:32 GMT -5
Anyways. We love Iroh, he’s a good guy. He deserves the world. He’s got to get the girl. We all know that Iroh' been the playful little flirt in the past. But I’m starting to think Iroh should have his own ship. One that, with a buff Iroh, will soon become much more popular. urro/irsa Iroh and Ursa inevitably had interaction. We know that Ursa is MUCH more personality paired with Iroh then Ozi. It is even likely that Ursa was originally set to marry Iroh. A high ranking noble like her being pre-arranged to marry the fire lord. Iroh was expected to be the next fire-lord. Hell, Iroh may have even courted her in preparation, thinking she was going to be his wife. (assuming his wife died in child birth as is assumed) Hell, this even makes it a possibility (though an unlikely one) that Iroh is really zuko's father. So many possibilities for this ship... I’ve never thought about it so deeply before. But I now officially ship Irursa/Urro. Like your theory, especially about Ursa! But that would mean Zuko is not Azulas brother and they sure look like eachother. I always wondered about what hapened to Iroh's wife and if she was really special to him. She must have died during the birth of Lu-Ten. That would be another trauma in Iroh's life, next to losing Lu-Ten. It would explain why he holds on so much to Zuko.
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Firework
Avatar Aang
Free like a butterfly instead of a flying boar... butterflies are prettier anyway.
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Iroh
Oct 15, 2007 15:23:22 GMT -5
Post by Firework on Oct 15, 2007 15:23:22 GMT -5
People, it's Nick, they won't have secret half siblings and the like. Besides, Iroh just being Zuko's surrogate father as well as uncle is just fine and symbolic enough.
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
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Iroh
Oct 15, 2007 16:16:43 GMT -5
Post by Zenjamin on Oct 15, 2007 16:16:43 GMT -5
i agree that they arnt going to go into the dark world of affairs much. they would never do anything but hint at the possibility.
but i do think its more then possible that they will show some flash backs of interactions between iroh and Ursa. or perhaps a sudden outburst/revelation between Iroh and zuko.
Zuko: "why wont you leave me alone?! you still havent forgiven me for what i did in Ba Sing Se. why do you think I need you to find my mother? she was just a traitor. she was nothing to you!"
Iroh: "she was EVERYTHING to me!"
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Iroh
Oct 16, 2007 13:13:19 GMT -5
Post by paintedgirl on Oct 16, 2007 13:13:19 GMT -5
We know, we know. A lot of the theorizing is absolutely never going to happen, but it's fun to think about it. I think they could do something like you mentioned, Zenjamin. Just as Jet, they didn't show him really dieing, that would be way to harsh for kids.
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Iroh
Oct 16, 2007 20:29:32 GMT -5
Post by astroanna on Oct 16, 2007 20:29:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't see Iroh hooking up (in any sense of the phrase) with Ursa...it's not in his nature, he's too honorable to even consider the possibility... Plus the wise old mentor doesn't have a romance....it's just not done... (Can you imagine Dumbledore with a girlfriend or a wife?)
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
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Iroh
Oct 16, 2007 21:15:59 GMT -5
Post by Zenjamin on Oct 16, 2007 21:15:59 GMT -5
Iroh was once young too ya know. and Ursa wasnt alwys married to the firelord (which was almost certainty arranged.) "too honorable to even consider the possibility." definitely doesnt apply to Iroh. Zuko, maby. but Iroh indulges in the joys of life.
anyways. i thought i should post this here. a segment about Iroh in a new interview with mike.
NRAMA: Is it me or does it seem that a major plot point off the bat is redemption and forgiveness; i.e. Zuko worrying about his father's forgiving him; Katara forgiving Hakoda and, especially, Aang on "failing" himself.
MD:You’re absolutely correct.
NRAMA: Is there any key relationships I'm missing on this point?
MD:Uncle Iroh’s story is also about redemption. After Zuko betrayed him in Ba Sing Se, Uncle refuses to speak with him. And Zuko thinks Uncle is a fool for not choosing his side, but really Zuko’s anger is just masking the fact that deep down, he knows he did a bad thing. So these two have to learn to forgive themselves and each other. And after losing his son Lu Ten to the war, and now losing Zuko to the “dark side,” Uncle feels like a failure. He does a lot of self-reflection while in prison which may or may not lead to him taking some sort of action. You’ll just have to watch to find out.
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Iroh
Oct 20, 2007 11:45:28 GMT -5
Post by danj826 on Oct 20, 2007 11:45:28 GMT -5
anyone see how in zuko's flashback in the beach we see iroh playing with zuko and lu ten on the beach and smiling
yet zuko and ozai looked very sullen in their flashback, and there never seems to be interaction between them
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
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Iroh
Oct 28, 2007 19:56:37 GMT -5
Post by Zenjamin on Oct 28, 2007 19:56:37 GMT -5
good point. ever wonder why whenever Zuko has a flashback of ozi he blocks out his face? and the first confrontation zuko has with a picture of his father and his past self, he burnt it. Plus the wise old mentor doesn't have a romance....it's just not done... (Can you imagine Dumbledore with a girlfriend or a wife?) no. but only because he's gay.but we know Iroh isnt gay. that hound dog shows interest from anyone from jun to the fortune-teller. PS. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_%28symbolism%29The lotus in both Egypt and India symbolizes the union of the four elements; earth, air, fire, and water. The roots are in the earth, it grows in and by means of water, its leaves are nourished by air, and it blooms through the power of the sun's fire. The lotus is therefore the perfection of the fourfold order of the natural world. The growth of a new flower directly from the earth-bound original (infloresent proliferation) may be interpreted as a symbol of transcendence as found in Indian philosphophy: a spiritual emergence of a higher world directly from our physical manifestation. It may also be interpreted, as in Egypt, as the exaltation of the essence quality of the lotus.does anyone ever question why Iroh is in the White Lotus Society??? weve all known Iroh was a very high ranking member fo the white-lotus. but now it looks like it is almost cannon that he will work with the gAang. EDIT/bump: well its official Iroh stays in the FN prison (at least when the guards are looking ;D) all the way up to the day of the invasion. what do you think Iroh is planning? what do you think he is going to do when the day of black sun hits? a) make his way to Ozi, and try to use his muscles and martial arts skilz to take out Ozh when neither of them can fire-bend. b) hook up with aang help him. c) escape with Zuko d) break out and look for Ursa e) use his prestige and new generalish look to rally FN troops to fight against the establishment f) other. i think any and all are possible, however i dont think it will be C. if Iroh were to escape with zuko Ozi would think that zuko had something to do with the invasion and send all of his troops after them both. but more importantly, zuko now need to find his own path, he need to leann that he doesnt need anyone else to define himself. also, in the interview with mike, he pretty much said that Iroh was gonna make a new decision that would take him down a different path then the last two seasons.
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Iroh
Oct 28, 2007 20:19:34 GMT -5
Post by astroanna on Oct 28, 2007 20:19:34 GMT -5
Come on, let me off the hook here, I wrote that post before the big Dumbledore outing... My point is the same, though...let me rephrase now that we have the info... *ahem* Can you imagine Dumbledore with a boyfriend? No...in fact my point was made by Rowling herself, who pointed out that his relationship with Grindlewald was an unrequited crush/infatuation. That's how it always goes with the mythic mentor...at least that's how it goes most of the time. I can't really think of an exception at the moment... Anyway, moving on...just because Iroh's a big flirt doesn't mean he'll have a romance...it's just not done, like I said... All that's not even the most interesting thing about Iroh, anyway...I agree with you in that I'm very much looking forward to seeing where he goes from here... He's the source of wisdom in Avatar and that is an awesome role to have...
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
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Iroh
Oct 28, 2007 21:05:08 GMT -5
Post by Zenjamin on Oct 28, 2007 21:05:08 GMT -5
ya, but Grindlewald wasnt gay.
if someone like Iroh had a thing for Ursa, ursa would def show interest. no reason not to , hes smart, wise, a good listener, very powerful, patient, and now... sexy. (he prob was in the past as well, around his military life).
also, those wise old people your talking about... im pretty sure most of them had loves in their youth. most often a tragic love. merlin, qui gon jin (dont know how to spell his name), batman(the old version) and of corse Roku... humm... i can think of any others right now. we just never start out seeing the old mentor's love because it makes them more mysterious.
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Iroh
Oct 29, 2007 16:04:12 GMT -5
Post by wildimagination on Oct 29, 2007 16:04:12 GMT -5
Uh, guys, remember, Iroh did have a wife, and they had Lu Ten. So, yes, I can imagine Iroh having a girlfriend (boyfriend, however...0_o).
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Zenjamin
Ba Sing Se Zuko
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Iroh
Oct 29, 2007 20:22:39 GMT -5
Post by Zenjamin on Oct 29, 2007 20:22:39 GMT -5
/smacks self i cant belive i forgot to use that arguement. lol. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ anyways, i nominate Iroh for the most manly man in avatar. that pic really sums it up perfectly for me. most would not consider tea, singing, or some of the other things Iroh has done not to be "manly", But Iroh is someone who does not need to compensate for anything.Iroh is someone who is completely secure and stable, who knows what he wants, he knows how to find peace and he knows how to protect it. respected, charasmatic, and one powerful BAMF... and that was before he decided to get ripped.
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Iroh
Oct 29, 2007 20:38:37 GMT -5
Post by Bring Me The DISTANTxHORIZON on Oct 29, 2007 20:38:37 GMT -5
I can't say I like Iroh as much anymore. In fact, I almost resent him for having a new voice actor. Mako's voice truly completed Iroh's character. I wish they had killed Iroh off.
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