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Post by avatar:tla-lover on Aug 11, 2008 7:57:01 GMT -5
I really don't understand why it didn't work.. -.-" Ah well, thanks anyways Well, as you all know there are two worlds in FMA. The world of the alchemists and our world. And there's also some kind of door everyone enters when he/she dies/almost dies, right. Anyways, the point is that I don't understand something about how someone dies in FMA. When Edward was killed by Envy, Alphonse sacrificed himself and got Ed back because he was the Philospher's Stone. But when Ed got back he sacrificed himself in turn to save Al, with alchemy and a weird transmuting circle al over himself (at least, that's what I can recall, his whole body glowed and the transmuting circle too). Ed then got trapped in our world, which he already visited once, but he wasn't gone back then, he was in the body of his look-a-like. The look-a-like died so Ed shouldn't be able to live in our world then, at least that's what I think. I don't see why Ed isn't dead. The Hughes in our world didn't know Ed and treated him differently, which means Hughes just died. In the movie, it seems that there's some kind passage, so anyone can travel to our world by using alchemy... *sigh* I can't really explain myself, I'm just really confuzzeld... sorry... but I hope you understand and can explain this...
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Post by darkblood_alchemist on Aug 11, 2008 13:49:12 GMT -5
Here's the best answer I've got:
About Ed coming to our world: he transmuted himself, his own body and soul to bring back Al. (Al used the Philosopher's Stone, causing him to disappear) He didn't really die, he (a) just became a part of the Gate (which then "chose" to send him to our world) or (b) payed the price for Al's life by going to our world.
Although the two worlds have the same people (with essentially the same personalities) they aren't the same person. The our-world Hughes was there before Hughes dies, just as our-world Ed was there. The reason our-Ed died (I think) is because there can only be one of each person in each world. Because Ed was in our-Ed's body, it was like there was two of him which was unallowed by the laws of nature/the Gate. So one of them had to die, and since our-Ed was physically there (his body, not just his soul) he was the one who could die. Ed just got sort of "shot" back into his body because he could no longer stay in our world without his or our-Ed's body.
Also, I think that in order to travel to our world you have to transmute a living human/being (with a soul). It's not very clear, but I think you also need to have had a previous encounter with the Gate (just guessing on that one)
Hopefully that answered it. ^^;
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Post by avatar:tla-lover on Aug 11, 2008 14:24:42 GMT -5
It's still very confusing, but I think your explanation works for me. So what you're trying to say is Ed was able to get to our world because of his previous encounter with the gate... and because of parts a/b. And since our world Ed was dead later on, does this mean there was enough "space" for Ed... Let's say our-world- Roy dies and Roy would transmute himself, do you think it would work for him even if he didn't encounter the gate before. It's confusing but that's why this anime rocks. I'm happy I shared it and you pretty much answered it... Those creators come up with very very impressing stuff...
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Post by darkblood_alchemist on Aug 13, 2008 22:38:45 GMT -5
^Glad I can help. ILet's say our-world- Roy dies and Roy would transmute himself, do you think it would work for him even if he didn't encounter the gate before. Hmm...not really sure. Well, I think there are three (likely) possibilities. (it would also depend on what he was trying to accomplish by transmuting himself; for arguments sake I'm assuming he's trying to get to our-world) a)Roy ends up killing, or just horribly disfiguring himself and remains in his own world. b)Roy kills then revives himself, resulting in his transformation to a Homunculi, but still remains in his world (or I suppose he could theoretically end up in our-world after his time in the Gate). c)Roy succeeds although there would probably be a large price to pay to pass through the Gate (loss of memory or limbs perhaps) Yeah, all of this is just speculation from a fan who thinks too much so other people feel free to add their own opinions/thoughts.
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Post by sylxis on Aug 14, 2008 15:32:54 GMT -5
Don't forget to factor in two points. One, Ed is a prodigy. That was stated near the beginning of the series. Two, this is a cartoon with a complicated plot. You didn't expect them to kill of the main character, did you? A lot of times when the main character 'dies', he's not dead. ;D The fact that this is a fantasy world also means anything is possible.
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Post by avatar:tla-lover on Aug 16, 2008 10:58:31 GMT -5
@darkblood_alchemist: Yeah, the Gate is pretty important... all case scenarios are likely to happen since it's sort of happened in the show... I think all of them are very likely. That works for me Thanks @lora Elric: Hmm.. yeah, that's very true, Ed is a prodigy... but I always tend to think further than the storyline... ^_^; Nahh, I wasn't aiming for: "Theyz should have killedz Edz!!11!" I'm happy he's alive, indeed in fantasy anything is possible. It's just that I thought that maybe the creators of FMA had a certain idea/theory about it and because I didn't understand I wanted to know if there was an actual explanation for it (confirmed by the creators)... But these answers are just fine... Really, eventhough it's a fantasy I always like explanations... I just love complicated animes with those explanations that surprise you... you know when all pieces fall together XD Anyways, did you see the OVA's?
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Post by darkblood_alchemist on Aug 16, 2008 22:03:01 GMT -5
Nope. >< I keep forgetting to. I think I saw one of them though.
And for what a:tla-lover said about the creators having certain ideas I have a little side-note to add: The creator of FMA actually had little influence in the turnout of events for the anime. She started the manga, then the company that created the anime took the main elements/the beginning and then went off on their own, creating a completely different story. Random factoid.
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Post by katie Uzumaki on Oct 11, 2008 16:01:02 GMT -5
^ Yeah it comes with an insanely creepy music video for "Indelible Sin". Weird mannequins and stuffs. (I have the cd too) Gah, I did not even look at it. I will have to find it and watch it. This serese gets so deep and confusing, but I think that is as good of a explanation as any. Okay, I have a question, too. In the movie, how did Ed's blood activate the transmutation curcle in out world? Was it the payment for opening the gate or what? Im confused because, apparently, you cant do alchemy in our world, so how was that one different?
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Post by darkblood_alchemist on Oct 13, 2008 11:11:48 GMT -5
^ I think it had to do with Al doing a transmutation on the other side. (the thing with Wrath). The Gate was already being opened from the other side.
(I'm rather rusty, so this is the best explanation I got for now)
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