Solvabibble
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Post by Solvabibble on Feb 19, 2008 23:36:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this belongs in CT or OGB, so if any of the mods want to move this, go ahead. Yesterday, Michelle Obama gave a speech in which she claimed that "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am proud of my country" linkCritics have latched onto that particular comment and have called her unpatriotic, ungrateful, etc. Sen. John McCain's wife Cindy even had a response.According to Obama, his wife's statement has been taken out of context, and he's tried to explain what she meant by it. What do you think? Will this hurt or help Obama's campaign? Or are people just blowing this way out of proportion?
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Post by nexus on Feb 20, 2008 3:21:00 GMT -5
Well, it may damage his campaign to a small degree. Maybe it will sway the occasional voter in some farming village in Nebraska. Under-exaggeration. I know.
But I don't see how Michellle is being unpatritoic. According to dictionary.com, patriotism is:
I'll use an analogy (i do love my analogies). Say you were a hot-shot millionaire living in a mansion. But your sister was a waitress, and your brother was a cleaner. Would you be proud of these aspects of them? Say your sister got promoted to assistant manager. Would you be proud of this? The answers are fairly obvious.
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Post by Sheogorath on Feb 20, 2008 3:41:25 GMT -5
I dunno, though. The way this nation is going these days, I can see where she's coming from. Sometimes I think the premise of Jericho wouldn't be such a bad thing, where all the major cities in the U.S. get destroyed, and America rebuilds itself with a new government, new capital city, a rewrite of historic events from the mid 1960's on, and even a new Constitution. Sometimes.
I don't think her comments would affect Barack's campaign too much. He's already way ahead of Hillary, even with some really big states coming up soon, those being Texas, Ohio, and I thing Pennsylvania. He's way ahead in the nomination race, and if he should win in Hawaii, he'd have not only 10 straight primary victories, but he'd be pretty much a shoe in for the nomination. Even if it did affect his campaign bid in such a way as to get a big b**** slap in Texas, he could still take Ohio and Pennsylvania and get it.
I'm sorry to say that Indiana is as good as dead weight in Presidential nomination races. We have our primary so late in the year, that by the time they get to us, the nominees of both parties have been pretty much decided by then. Even then, though, if it came right down to it, this could be the year that Indiana does cast the deciding vote in the Presidential nominations. Or maybe not. We'll see how things go in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.
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Post by CountessRachel on Feb 20, 2008 12:01:40 GMT -5
In something as tense as the presidential elections, or even the caucus races, anything anyone says can be taken out of context, no matter how carefully you chose your words. There are going to be people watching you solely to see if you mess up or to make you look bad in anyway. Hopefully the American people are smart enough to figure out she didn't mean to sound "unpatriotic." Then again...that might be asking too much...
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Post by Atmos on Feb 20, 2008 18:43:02 GMT -5
Hopefully the American people are smart enough to figure out she didn't mean to sound "unpatriotic." Then again...that might be asking too much... Just wait for the popperatzis to catch Britney Spears in another breakdown and it'll be as good as forgotten. But to the topic. No, I don't think this will hurt Obama's campaign, not against Clinton to say the least. I really hope Obama nabs it against Hiliary. Nothing against Hiliary, I would be emotionally pleased if any of them become president, but if it was between Clinton and McCain, I'd be very worried. Obama's more moderate position is the key. I mean come on...Hillary's Universal Health Care Plan...not exactly universally favored in the USA. Heck even Clinton's campaign noticed that (if anyone's been keeping tabs on the candidates' websites) on the Clinton's list of "Issues" the title changed from mention "Establishing Universal Health Care" to a less intense feel of "Providing Affordable and Accessible Health Care." (btw - I don't exactly consider myself a democrat but I am generally more on the liberal side)
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Feb 21, 2008 0:20:36 GMT -5
Could have sworn part of being proud of America was appreciating its right to free speech.
I mean, honestly ~ she's not allowed to say how she feels? Since when was speaking forthright and from the heart disallowed? It's an indictment of the preceding administrations and, having lived through them, I must say I feel much the same myself.
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Post by CountessRachel on Feb 21, 2008 14:16:01 GMT -5
It's not gonna hurt the Obama campaign. If anything, it's gonna make McCain look bad for trying to sound uppity and superior to that comment. McCain's wife was like, "I have ALWAYS been and always WILL BE proud of our country." Oh please. It's easy for someone like Cindy to make those kind of comments. But for people like Michelle, it's a different story. We all know good d*mn well this country's leadership has been less than stellar many a time in the past and the social climate still reflects some serious immaturity.
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Post by attonbitus on Feb 22, 2008 14:02:28 GMT -5
It's not going to hurt his overall campaign, in a month no one will even remember this. HOWEVER! I think he should not have tried to "explain" her comments but rather should have said this is a free country and his wife is free to have her own opinions which is what makes this country great.
Any time one tries to "explain" or "justify" speeches or actions it turns into what I believe vs what You believe argument that often has no winner.
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Feb 22, 2008 23:42:17 GMT -5
Eh, I think the only reason he explained it was because he was asked to in an interview. And she explained it herself, too ~ of course she meant the political process, America as a whole... people were pointing to achievements made by individuals in the past and saying wasn't she proud of those? But this is different, this is a nation pulling together as a whole. I think she has a right to an opinion, and if people disagree, so what? They have a right to theirs. It's not like she's a housewife ~ she's a graduate of Harvard Law, for pete's sake. She's studied the process and become rather cynical about it. Note that she did indicate that apparently she'd hd pride in America when she was younger, and was pleased to recapture that feeling. I think many people agree. And I think she'd make a fabulous, kick@$$ First Lady.
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Post by lunachaos on Feb 23, 2008 2:42:29 GMT -5
One of the most irritating parts of these campaigns is the way the "opponents" (<=that really shouldn't be the case, but unfortunately it is) jump on the most trivial things and twist them into something potentially harmful to the other candidate. I DO think people are taking it overboard, but I also think it hasn't had much of an impact overall.
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Post by attonbitus on Feb 23, 2008 12:21:03 GMT -5
^ that's politics in general, they point out any small detail that could be used against the other as a justification of why they're "unfit"
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Post by CountessRachel on Feb 24, 2008 0:10:01 GMT -5
McCain's just lookin for somethin to draw attention away from the Times...
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Post by historyman12 on Feb 24, 2008 12:43:33 GMT -5
McCain's just lookin for somethin to draw attention away from the Times... This came first.
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Post by CountessRachel on Feb 25, 2008 15:12:27 GMT -5
McCain's just lookin for somethin to draw attention away from the Times... This came first. Doesn't matter. McCain's trying to shift negative publicity away from his campaign and hurt potential threats to the office. Quite frankly, it's a bad effort when you compare the two dilemmas. A misinterpreted comment compared to some possible affair? We've already seen how America flips over one president's personal life.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Feb 26, 2008 22:25:52 GMT -5
i don't get how an affair effects a person's ability to run a country. i'm not a fan of McCain but still.
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