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Post by Exorcist on Jan 28, 2008 2:02:21 GMT -5
Ive been thinking, maybe schools should give lectures about respecting other people religion. Kinda the same way they teach about sex. The parents might be extremists and turn their kids into extremists.
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Post by attonbitus on Jan 30, 2008 13:47:48 GMT -5
I'm split on the issue. Government funded school should really not teach people how to live their lives. It should only educated them to they can be productive members of society. To me it's the parents' duty to teach things such as respect, morality, sex etc.
At the same time I dunno if it's just me, but it seem like less parents are willing to participate in their children's growth.
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Post by Atmos on Jan 30, 2008 14:14:53 GMT -5
I'm split on the issue. Government funded school should really not teach people how to live their lives. It should only educated them to they can be productive members of society. To me it's the parents' duty to teach things such as respect, morality, sex etc. At the same time I dunno if it's just me, but it seem like less parents are willing to participate in their children's growth. At least 'extremist' parents (however you'd put that) provide children with the social and psychological neccesities of guidance and affection, unlike parents who are entirely neglecting their kids only potentially contributing to the crime factors. And it's actually the neglected that lead the potential "bad extremists" for instance the KKK which obtain a great percentage of their young recruits from gathering runaways and those from neglecting families. So yeah I would very much prefer a bible-bound evanglical or an anti-religious athiest over the KKK or MS-13. But yeah, schools now got enough on their plate.
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Post by CountessRachel on Jan 31, 2008 2:27:15 GMT -5
It's a tricky subject because public schools are bound by law not to teach religion (though there are plenty in the Bible Belt that do it anyway). I do think there needs to be more emphasis on tolerance in general (not just for religion) in the classrooms. Keyword being tolerance, not being political correctness which changes like the wind.
Though you have some good points Atmos, I think a lot of the negative sentiments towards other people come from the parents themselves. And as much as I hate to say it, a lot of parents don't necessarily neglect their children--they just simply too busy providing for them, if that makes any sense.
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Post by spiritmage234 on Jan 31, 2008 7:16:21 GMT -5
The only thing I have to say about the whole school teaching us the dangers of unprotected pre-marital sex and drugs and alcohol is this:
Look how well that worked.
Lessons on morality is not the best subject for schools to teach. That's for your concious to teach.
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Post by Gandalan on Jan 31, 2008 9:28:59 GMT -5
I don't think it's the school's job to teach kids to be tolerant. That's the parents' job. The schools, if they even taught this, would have to include EVERY religion, everything, OR it would be an extremely generic course, which in any case would be pointless. Tolerance isn't something you can learn by getting it beaten into you, you have to learn it yourself.
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Post by CountessRachel on Jan 31, 2008 13:30:43 GMT -5
The only problem with that is, in the home, everyone most likely looks and thinks the same way...not the best environment for tolerance to be demonstrated. At a school, there's more diversity and you sort of HAVE to learn to be tolerant. Not to mention there are a lot of intolerant parents that pass that along to the kids. I agree that it SHOULDN'T be the schools job to teach tolerance. But, ultimately, it's a better setting than the home often enough. Tolerance is indeed something you can't have beaten in you...all the more reason why kids are not learning it from the parents. Breaking Down Barriers was a school program featured on Oprah that spent a day dealing with diversity and how to cooperate and be more understanding of other people. It had a pretty strong impact on the students.
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Post by Gran Gran on Jan 31, 2008 15:00:52 GMT -5
LOL on sex ed...just say no is the teaching around here...
Respect....
Respect should be ingrained, ate up with the mother's milk. Too many times I see an utter lack of basic respect all over the place, parents fail to teach their children. Unfortunately society does not work without it. It starts with little things like personal space and translated to bigger issues like personal property and the right to govern your own body. it's really gross to see kids walking all over their parents - little kids. Can't spank the bugger now...or you go to jail, and since he/she is 'so special'.....good luck.
So yes, schools need to step up and fill the void provided by the family, but in the most dire cases the parents are also the biggest obsticle and veto the limited measures the system has at its disposal.
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Post by spirityue on Jan 31, 2008 16:12:12 GMT -5
Well, personally, this issue has a lot to do with why I decided to pull my children out of the public school system and teach them at home. I've always raised my kids to be respectful of others in a myriad of ways, but once public school had been introduced into their daily life, I could see everything I'd taught them thus far, slowly draining away. Public schools around my area, are in a world of hurt right now, they've actually been doing away with almost every type of class except for math and reading. The reasons for that, is simply that the overall testing scores are in the toilet, so to speak. So, as far as them teaching respect, please...don't make me laugh! If they can't even properly teach the main subjects, then how in the world are they going to teach respect? I do however, hold the parents mostly at fault for the downfall of our public schools. I fully understand that many families need both parents to work, to just get by in the world, but, even if you don't have a vast amount of time to spend with your kids, you can still impart wisdom, respect, and love. It just seems to me, that most parents today, can't be bothered with the upbringing of their children anymore, they are way to wrapped up in their own little worlds, and that is truly a very sad thing indeed.
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Post by avatarasabat on Jan 31, 2008 16:54:17 GMT -5
Please don't make me laugh.
I really don't see the use the public schools anymore. They have really have gone down the toilet. It becoming more of a massive social experiment than anything Acedemic. I've been talking to my teacher friend from Centerburg. He use to be my IEP teacher now he does Reading class for 2nd graders. We talk about how the system is pretty much crap and teachers are more about crunching numbers and shoving standardize testing now Kindergarders throats
Education has gone to the dogs
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Post by Gandalan on Feb 1, 2008 13:14:01 GMT -5
I agree that it SHOULDN'T be the schools job to teach tolerance. But, ultimately, it's a better setting than the home often enough. How come we always agree, but end up disagreeing on some minute point?
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Post by avatarasabat on Feb 3, 2008 10:54:04 GMT -5
I agree that it SHOULDN'T be the schools job to teach tolerance. But, ultimately, it's a better setting than the home often enough. It depends on the student. And again it depends on the teacher. My sisters had great school life. Katie excelled in school, both extracirricular and Achedemics. My youngest does well at her school. Me? No. I was horrible. I could barely keep up with class I was bored offten and I lack any social skills to keep relationships. It really depends sometimes. Sometimes kids want to escape both home and school
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Feb 3, 2008 11:20:25 GMT -5
Please don't make me laugh. I really don't see the use the public schools anymore. They have really have gone down the toilet. It becoming more of a massive social experiment than anything Acedemic. I've been talking to my teacher friend from Centerburg. He use to be my IEP teacher now he does Reading class for 2nd graders. We talk about how the system is pretty much crap and teachers are more about crunching numbers and shoving standardize testing now Kindergarders throats Education has gone to the dogs how about for people who can't afford a private school education. in public schools there are also honors and IB programs. yeah the system is crap but the other options are worse.
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Post by spirityue on Feb 4, 2008 9:56:40 GMT -5
Not necesarily, even though my boys are schooled through a private cyber charter school, it's completely state funded. Which means that certain individual states set aside funds for these types of programs. I was sent everything I need, including two fully loaded computers, a printer/fax machine, text books, as well as reg. supplies, such as paper, pencils, and what not. You name it, and they sent it to me, all completely free! Which was truly a godsend for us as we could no way afford some of the private school tuitions.
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Post by Grimmjow of the Funk on Feb 4, 2008 17:59:09 GMT -5
wow that is amazing yet it is private the other option i was talking about was no school. i go to a private school as well which is really awesome but not everyone can pay for that. was the tuition at this private school free?
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