ilovetaang03
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Post by ilovetaang03 on Feb 12, 2008 15:07:00 GMT -5
ok sorry if a thread like this is already up but in my english class i am writing a feature artical about if the "under god" part should be taken out of the pledge. i belive it should because to some people belive (including me kinda) that there is not one god or even a god and that america is not under it
what do you think on this topic... and say why
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Post by ShizukaSakoi on Feb 12, 2008 16:46:21 GMT -5
I think that it should stay, this country(beleive it or not) was founded on religious freedoms, the poeple came here for freedome of religeon from the english country -and others- which wouldnt grant them the right to practice their beleifs. The constitution(and the country for that matter!) was founded on the morals and such of the day, which happend to be based on religoen. people back then had a very high concern, and respect for religoen.Thats the way it was written, so it should stay that way, there is already the option of not saying that part, but taking it out should deffinatly NOT be an option. thats just my opinion.
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Post by *Erin* on Feb 12, 2008 16:48:28 GMT -5
IMO: God does not have anything to do with America, but should remain part of the Pledge because of the fact that those words have been there since it was created. In the Pledge they also refer to "the republic for which it stands," when we are in fact not a republic, not a democracy.
My point is, some things, such as the Pledge, will never be completely politically correct to everyone, and there is really nothing that we can do about it.
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Post by Atmos on Feb 12, 2008 19:56:46 GMT -5
Wrong.
The words "under god" were added about 50 years after it's existance.
The "pledge" wasn't even made by the founders - the pledge was made written and published until around 1890. The original pledge didn't even include the "under god." It was just:
I pledge allegiance, to the flag and to the republic for which its stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all..
"Under God" wasn't added until the 1950s and for reasons less dealing directly with religious emphasis and more dealing with political image.
During the Cold War when America was undergoing its hyper-paranoia over the great evil that is Communism. Anything even slightly similiar to the ideologies of the Soviet's Communist party was evil. So at the time because the Soviet Union's Communist Party was steering away from religion it was only logical that doing the complete opposite was the right thing, and so the USA added "under god" in the pledge to prove how serious they were in being as different in communism as possible.
As for my opinion on the pledge. Personally, I don't see it worth the fuss with the "under god." If your a patriotic athiest, just mute yourself at the part when you say it. And as far I know, schools can't make you say the pledge. as least school district didn't.
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Post by wiiboy on Feb 12, 2008 20:44:23 GMT -5
Do not forgot that the verse in the pledge was added in the year 70s, 80s, I think? It was never in the original. Also the nation wasn't founded on religion. It was founded on religious freedoms. There is a big difference. American never added "Under God" or "In God We Trust" until the 80s.
EDIT: Sorry, Atmos said it right.
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Post by ShizukaSakoi on Feb 13, 2008 8:46:40 GMT -5
Still, the constitution was founded based on some religoes things, the men who wrote it were very religoes. Whether or not the "under God" was added later, if you dont like saying it, just mute yourself like Atmos said above.
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Post by attonbitus on Feb 13, 2008 13:46:44 GMT -5
Personally, I'd like it removed BUT at the same time it doesn't really bother me. It's rather like when someone is sworn into office or in a court case they swear on a bible.
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Post by wiiboy on Feb 13, 2008 16:17:49 GMT -5
Still, the constitution was founded based on some religoes things, the men who wrote it were very religoes. Whether or not the "under God" was added later, if you dont like saying it, just mute yourself like Atmos said above. Again, do some research. There weren't really religious at all. What are they teaching in history class? America sucks, I hope someone strong comes along and puts an end to all of the stupid citizens. >_<
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Post by Empy on Feb 13, 2008 18:16:55 GMT -5
Now, I think you can discuss without putting down anyone. That includes a country because that's not really what this is debating.
I agree with attonbitus. I personally think that there are bigger issues to worry about than saying "under God" in the pledge of allegiance. Christianity is the dominant religion in the US and that's apparent in the pledge however although it is in there, the government is not forcing anyone to follow Christianity and its beliefs. Besides, if it really bothers you to say it, don't say it at all.
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Post by ShizukaSakoi on Feb 13, 2008 18:50:49 GMT -5
Thats true, im in a christian school so of course their gonna teach me that! Christianity is the dominant realigoen of America, though there are others and I respect that.And just couse im American doesnt mean that im an idiot!!!!
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Feb 13, 2008 19:23:18 GMT -5
^I don't recall anyone calling you an idiot... I'm not a Christian, but it really doesn't matter to me whether or not "under God" is in the pledge of alligence (though it does to some people at my school-- a guy in my class says "above Satan" to protest. I don't think it's working). Recently my state's legislature added "One state under God" to our pledge... it made me realize that the phrase is going to be in there for good. Christians would never vote to take it out, anyway. IMO people who are trying to get it taken out are wasting their time.
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Post by ShizukaSakoi on Feb 13, 2008 19:26:22 GMT -5
It was for Americans in gerneral I think.... But you right, whoever is trying to get it taken out is wasting there time on it, most of the US is christian( or at least claims to be) i seriously doubt its going anywhere.
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Post by Sakura on Feb 13, 2008 23:59:44 GMT -5
^I don't recall anyone calling you an idiot... (though it does to some people at my school-- a guy in my class says "above Satan" to protest. I don't think it's working). WHAT?! This country was based on religion, as Airbender so knidly points out. I find that so, so maddening that someone would offend the few people believing in Jesus Chirst in this country. If I went to your school, and I let my anger get away with me without fearing the consiquences, I would go up and give that guy a big slap across the face. We should keep that part of the pledge in. It helps show that we are a united country, in a way, yes? "Under God" is an important part of the pledge, hm?
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Post by CountessRachel on Feb 14, 2008 0:31:01 GMT -5
I would kinda sorta like to point out that this country is NOT based on religion, or religious freedom for that matter. People who were Protestant got a break (minus the Quakers). Anyone else was a pagan and not to be trusted. Therefore, "religious freedom" is a misnomer because while the Native Americans and enslaved Africans had their own religions, they were still considered "faithless" by European standards.
It was the Spanish that came to the Americas with some intent of "civilizing the pagan savages." But Spain didn't found this nation, the English did. This country, if anyone analyzes the actual intent of English colonization, was founded on making a profit. And the English used their religion to justify doing some pretty primal things to garner that profit.
Now concerning the actual nation itself emerging from the "revolution," the only way religion plays is that it would be separate from political matters--mainly, people wouldn't have to pay taxes to the church.
Prior to this concept, there were state churches. And even though you might not have belonged to say, the Anglican Church, or the Puritan Church (depending on where you lived) you STILL paid taxes to them.
As far as the pledge goes, "Under God" like Atmos said, wasn't added into the pledge until the cold war to distinguish our country apart from The Soviet Union (which was majority atheist). At this point though, it's reeeally not that big a deal; just one more political distraction for the people to squabble about instead of more important issues--like health care, poverty, and whatnot...
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Post by metalwork on Feb 14, 2008 5:03:01 GMT -5
Lol.
Here we go with my stupid little incites.
First of all it is the Pledge of Allegiance. Sorry, Grammar Nazi.
Anywho, in my opinion, it should stay the same. Of course you have your beliefs and others have theirs, but why take something out of what has already been here for years.
You've already taken the Bible out of public schools. It's just like taking evolution out of science. And I'm not a big fan of evolution. I would rather be created by God then believe in something so corny. Give me a break....
You have to have more faith to believe in that than God, anyway. The most plausible religion that people cling to now is either Atheism or being an Agnostic.
What is so special about you anyway, no, I'm not flaming, just trying to prove a point. Lol.
It's sort of sad how people take away something we have loved for such a long time and completely throw it away.
It's like a slap in the face. And NO! You don't have to be this stuck up, churchy, sinister bast**** to believe in God.
But when you think about it, how can we believe in most of scientific things? Evolution is still a theory. Unless you can REALLY prove it to me.
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