The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Jan 26, 2008 23:48:12 GMT -5
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton Lol, yeah, other nations are going to seriously start wondering if we really are a democracy or not. XD Zen ~ no, I don't, because I don't think it came out until after polling was closed. It was also noted that Obama led among both men and women, regardless of the silly superficial distinction we call "race." Honestly... we choose our leaders by what color their skin is? I don't think so. (Btw, if you saw that Top 10 Letterman video I linked earlier, the last one was so great: Vice. President. Oprah. I couldn't say how seriously that one should be taken at the moment ~ please remember that Reagan was first a movie star, and Ford was a fashion model ~ but we choose our leaders based on character, and it seems to me she'd bring a lot to the job! )
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The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Jan 27, 2008 4:28:15 GMT -5
That's a good question ~ I'll have to think about it. But my gut reaction is no, it won't hurt him ~ a lot can happen between the nomination and the election, and we'll never know what those things are 'til we come across them. During that time, the candidate gets a lot more exposure, and the nation will make up its mind about him then. So Obama got 55 percent of SC's support, versus Hillary's 27 percent. >.< As Edwards lost even his own home state, I'll be interested to see what happens in Arkansas on Feb. 5th, as those folks are the ones most familiar with the Clintons.
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The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Jan 27, 2008 23:29:18 GMT -5
No, I haven't ~ I'll have to check that out, thanks. Clinton keeps trumpeting that she has experience... but that's experience in old-style, back-room politics. I'd rather have someone with a fresh perspective on things. And Obama has proven himself in the Senate ~ he jumped in with both feet, sponsored and co-sponsored important bills, and gathered dependable, seasoned advisors around him. He's got what it takes, and I'd much rather have him lead the nation. So, Tuesday Feb. 5th, if your state is having a primary that day, get out there and spread the word to vote, everybody. Have discussions and debates with people you know, get to understand the issues better.... 'cause inspiring others works so much better than just keeping your one vote to yourself. Let's see what we can do to help our nation.
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Zenjamin
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Post by Zenjamin on Jan 27, 2008 23:43:02 GMT -5
agreed. being politically involved is one of the most patroitic and useful things you can do with your time.
I am the precent leader for the RP campaign. and I have secured a victory for it and helped with at least 8/30 here in the small town of durango... but I highly doubt he will win CO...
but being politically involved is not like sports, its not just about winning or losing. its about the spread of ideas for the future generation.
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Post by Exorcist on Jan 28, 2008 1:29:44 GMT -5
Personally, I believe politics are much more intense than sports. Its just fun to watch the democrats try to top the republicans. The democrats got both black and a women person running for office this year. Obama is very popular and clinton isn't that bad. The democrats already have control of the house I think. They have really step up their game this year. I think they might win it this year.
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The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Jan 30, 2008 2:11:39 GMT -5
from earlier today: Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius endorses Obama news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080129/ap_on_el_pr/obama_sebeliusquote: "Her announcement came hours ahead of Obama's rally in El Dorado, the hometown of his grandfather on his mother's side, and one week before the Kansas caucuses, which are part of the multistate contests Feb. 5. Sebelius said she would attend the event to 'welcome him back to Kansas and join the campaign.'" I hope she does so as the vice-presidential candidate. more quotes: "Democratic presidential candidates long had sought Sebelius' backing in a state that George W. Bush carried by large margins in the 2000 and 2004 elections. No Democratic nominee for the White House has won Kansas' electoral votes since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. But Sebelius, now in her second term, has shown an ability to triumph in GOP territory. She won re-election in 2006 with nearly 58 percent of the vote. In Kansas, less than 27 percent of the voters are registered Democrats. She said her two "20-something" sons and 86-year-old father, former Ohio Gov. John Gilligan, already were backing Obama, and that the Illinois senator had the ability to bridge generations for the betterment of the country. . . . Sebelius has impressed Democrats nationally by election success, and party leaders let her give the Democratic response Monday night to Bush's State of the Union address. She is coming off a year as head of the Democratic Governors Association, a group that Bill Clinton once led. The governor made Democrats' lists of potential vice presidential running mates for nominee John Kerry in 2004, and while there's less of the same talk this year, she is seen as possible Cabinet appointee in a Democratic administration." Oooh yeah.
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Post by historyman12 on Jan 31, 2008 15:04:06 GMT -5
Giuliani is out after he screwed up Florida. Lose Judy, Rudy.
And his behind McCain.
Or McLame, if you're Mark Levin.
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Chevalier Vi Liberté
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Feb 1, 2008 2:43:13 GMT -5
Obama carried the SC primary, far ahead of anyone else: "Returns from 86 percent of the state's precincts showed Obama winning 54 percent in the three-way race, Clinton gaining 27 percent and Edwards at 19 percent." news.yahoo.com/s/ap/south_carolina_primaryYes, it is true that Barack dominated the SC poll but you should really take a look at the polls and you will notice that Hillary is leading in delegate-heavy states and many other states as well going into Super Tuesday. Also, if Hillary had received the delegates from Michigan and Florida, Obama would be at a huge disadvantage right now in # of delegates. Truthfully, I think the Democratic party should have at least give half the delegates for Florida like the Republican party did but I suppose they couldn't take the news of Florida deciding to hold its primary a little bit early. I have to also point out that it was ignorant to see the Obama administration saying that Florida doesn't matter simply because its delegates don't count. I am sure Florida did not appreciate that. It is obvious if the Democratic nominees were aloud to campaign there there would be some difference in the voting but it would not amount to the 300,000 votes that Hilary defeated Obama by. Going into Super Tuesday, Hillary and Obama both look pretty good but a high majority of the polls are leaning in her favor. www.presidentpolls2008.com/primary-election-poll-results/
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The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Feb 1, 2008 12:35:43 GMT -5
Well, I'd hope this nation would elect Obama, but if it came down to them sticking with the old-school status quo, I'd rather have McCain in than Hillary. And, apparently, so would a few other people: www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htmIf it came down to that, Obama could run again in 4 to 8 years. Still, a McCain/Obama race would be absolutely great. Check out this article from today's Chicago Tribune: Link
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Post by Zenjamin on Feb 1, 2008 14:51:54 GMT -5
dude... there is no way in hell Mccain and Oboma would team up... and if they did, it would prove that Oboma does not stand for what he said he stands for. Mccain and Romny are so clost to bush in policy that its scary.
If Hilary gets elected, Ron Paul has the best chance of beating her after how much hate people now have for the NEO-cons.
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The Blue Chibi
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Feb 1, 2008 14:56:05 GMT -5
No, dude... An Obama vs. McCain matchup. ;D Now that would be an interesting race worth watching. Oh, the rhetoric it would spawn... =P And we'd learn so many interesting things. O.o Don't you agree?
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Post by Zenjamin on Feb 1, 2008 15:11:20 GMT -5
No. not at all. Oboma would say he was against the war and most all of bushes policies. Mccain would say that he was and is for the war, and many of Bushes' policies. People would see that, and Oboma would win. Done.
anyone who supports bush, has 0 chance of beating a democratic canadate. RP, would stand up, and say he was agains the war as well, and then he would go on to outline his experence, his constitutional knowledge, his foreign policy, his economic plan and his plan to abolish the IRS... there would actually be something to talk/learn about instead of "I support the war" "I dont" bang, over, done.
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Feb 1, 2008 15:50:17 GMT -5
No. not at all. Oboma would say he was against the war and most all of bushes policies. Mccain would say that he was and is for the war, and many of Bushes' policies. People would see that, and Oboma would win. Done. Lol, fair enough ~ good point. On a slightly side note, news of this freeze on spending that Bush's budget would cause really &^*£% ticked me off ~ looks like he wants to leave this country in as much of a mess as he possibly can for the next guy to clean up. Enough to give any candidate pause to consider, going in to Super Tuesday. =P news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080131/pl_nm/bush_budget_spending_dc
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Post by Zenjamin on Feb 1, 2008 17:17:02 GMT -5
typical. He would freez all domestic spending... right after making a billions dollar armes deal with the arab nations...
Trillions of dollars go into maintaining the empire of nation building abroad. and we pay the price here at home.
Something RP has been warning against for... ever.
PS nobody seems to want stick to discussing specific Primaries, so for now its Ok if we get OT and discuss the candidates running in general.
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Post by Consonant*** on Feb 1, 2008 18:15:24 GMT -5
No. not at all. Oboma would say he was against the war and most all of bushes policies. Mccain would say that he was and is for the war, and many of Bushes' policies. People would see that, and Oboma would win. Done. anyone who supports bush, has 0 chance of beating a democratic canadate. RP, would stand up, and say he was agains the war as well, and then he would go on to outline his experence, his constitutional knowledge, his foreign policy, his economic plan and his plan to abolish the IRS... there would actually be something to talk/learn about instead of "I support the war" "I dont" bang, over, done. And half of the Republican voters wouldn't show up. Great idea.
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