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Post by decoy on Nov 25, 2007 23:39:16 GMT -5
I was simply asking a question. From your retort I can assume that "Yes" is your answer, please correct me if I'm mistaken or if you'd like to elaborate.
This leads me to believe that you are somehow in disagreement with any country who has ever claimed it's independence from another. Again, stop me if I'm wrong.
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Post by WyrmKing on Nov 25, 2007 23:46:52 GMT -5
I was simply asking a question. From your retort I can assume that "Yes" is your answer, please correct me if I'm mistaken or if you'd like to elaborate. Actually, no, that's not my answer. But "yes" would be YOUR answer since I'm applying your logic to the 9-11 situation. Except they had to steal the land from a sovereign country so they can have their own little independent country. So yes, I have a problem with land stealing. This isn't a conquered country trying to reclaim independence.
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Post by decoy on Nov 26, 2007 0:09:11 GMT -5
Again, the question asked has nothing to do with my own personal logic. But if you want to spin semantics and stick it arguing over logics then according to your own you don't believe in America. We stole British land, land from a sovereign nation, to create our own little independent country.
Had we been trying to reclaim a lost independence then it'd be alright, but since we were simply trying to gain it on a whole it's not okay.
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Post by WyrmKing on Nov 26, 2007 0:15:56 GMT -5
Again, the question asked has nothing to do with my own personal logic. But if you want to spin semantics and stick it arguing over logics then according to your own you don't believe in America. We stole British land, land from a sovereign nation, to create our own little independent country. Had we been trying to reclaim a lost independence then it'd be alright, but since we were simply trying to gain it on a whole it's not okay. That's a dumb thing to say to a Native American. Seeing as I'm a member of Iroquois Confederacy and some of the lands your ancestor stole were my ancestors'. And no it's not semantics. You're blaming Mexico for the loss of their lands because they couldn't do anything about it. Because the European settlers decided that they had better claim. And you were saying that it's okay. So I just applied you're really weird logic to the 9-11 situation. That the blame should be on the U.S. for letting the twin towers bombing happen because they can't do anything about it. So the 9-11 bombing was therefore justified.
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Post by Gran Gran on Nov 26, 2007 0:24:54 GMT -5
And back to Illegal Alliens....
This is getting too far from the proposed theme i's not even in the same Galaxy anymore!
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Post by decoy on Nov 26, 2007 0:36:48 GMT -5
Excuse my forgetfulness, next time I'll remember to enable my e-clairvoyance. Maybe you should click your switch too. My ancestry would lead me to believe that they were to busy suffering from famine far from the shores of America.
To be honest, I'd like to continue on with the discussion. However, using my better judgement I'm stepping out here for fear of being overly callous to the remarks at hand.
Good evening, sir.
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Post by WyrmKing on Nov 26, 2007 0:38:04 GMT -5
Sorry Gran Gran. I guess my Native American half totally took over...
Okay back on topic: No voting for illegals! Everyone on my mother's side (Native American) agrees.
Sorry but application of questionable logic is not a discussion. Gran Gran said get back on topic anyway.
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Post by decoy on Nov 26, 2007 0:49:20 GMT -5
What is it you call all the nonsense on either side then? I guess that's just what it is - nonsense!=discussion, amirite?
The original topic is dull with an obvious answer.
omgdontlet illegalsvote lower the age to 16 if they can!~!!!1
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Post by WyrmKing on Nov 26, 2007 0:54:42 GMT -5
What is it you call all the nonsense on either side then? I guess that's just what it is - nonsense!=discussion, amirite? The original topic is dull with an obvious answer. omgdontlet illegalsvote lower the age to 16 if they can!~!!!1 Saying that land stealing is right is very nonsensical indeed.
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Post by decoy on Nov 26, 2007 1:00:02 GMT -5
To say land stealing is wrong draws the same conclusion.
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Post by WyrmKing on Nov 26, 2007 1:01:43 GMT -5
To say land stealing is wrong draws the same conclusion. Not really. Far from it actually.
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Post by decoy on Nov 26, 2007 1:16:41 GMT -5
Did the Iroquois ever fight against another neighboring tribe for land and if they did after said portion of earth was taken was it considered stolen?
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Post by The Blue Chibi on Nov 26, 2007 1:20:35 GMT -5
Locked for now ~ please keep the discussion on-topic tomorrow. Re-open, and I recommend you go back and self-edit some of your remarks, especially those regarding 9/11. Any further off-topic, heated spamming will have to result in warning bars.
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Post by casettejongen on Nov 26, 2007 12:06:31 GMT -5
I still haven't found any sensical arguments why some people are illegal. In my opinion, the question isn't 'should illegal people vote?', the question is 'why are some people illegal and thus unable to vote in the country they live in, but that just does not accept them?'...
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Post by decoy on Nov 26, 2007 13:11:42 GMT -5
To be deemed illegal alien is when one lives in a country unlawfully without a country's consent. Therefore, the illegal immigrant is unable to vote due to the fact that they have already circumnavigated the proper process to live in that particular country. If they had come to reside in the country by following the proper channels then they would be in line to gain citizenship, pay taxes and then have the right to vote. The last bit of your question seems silly, so in-turn I ask: Why should there acceptance towards those who have disrespected the rules and regulations which we live by? (Please don't take this proposal in the broad sense. Rather keep it in terms with the conversation.)
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