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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 10, 2008 12:40:10 GMT -5
An interesting little tidbit for you all. Link.A pet peking duck was issued an order of protection after it was assaulted by some teenagers with a pellet gun. My take on this... there are children that have been beaten to death by the hands of their own parents. The signs were there and no action had been taken- but please- save the ducks! Other humans that are in need of help and protection are denied it, but it's news when a duck gets an order of protection. Next thing you know, roaches will be seeking the same from exterminators- I mean, why not? They should be protected too!
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Post by admirality on Apr 10, 2008 12:54:07 GMT -5
If ne one was shooting any of my ducks I'd break their legs
Rather than putting a protection order on the duck they shud just punish the kids
In comparison to kids being beatins by their parents and no action been taken the duck protection order does seem extreme.... But I'm in no way against it... Animals hav rights too and just because they are a different species to us doesn't mean they shudn't be protected..
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 10, 2008 13:06:11 GMT -5
I do agree and perhaps it was a poor comparison- ducks vs. humans, but it was just a point. Believe me, I am kind to any animal that comes on my property. Heck I even feed them... lol On the flip side, I am not one of those animal activist that freak out on people for wearing leather or furs.
I do not agree with people going out of their way to hurt an animal for the sake of having 'fun'. I see nothing fun or nice about it. Just last year a man tied his rottie to a tree and doused it with gasoline and then set it one fire. The poor thing died and that was one of the most gruesome stories of animal abuse I have ever heard in my life. That man got sent to jail... and rightfully so.
Those that shot the duck should have been fined or punished in some way. I'm pretty certain you have to name a specific person you're getting an order of protection against- so it's not like they didn't know who had done this. It's just ridiculous that court time was dedicated to issuing the duck an order of protection and nothing was done about it's assailants.
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Post by attonbitus on Apr 11, 2008 8:28:41 GMT -5
^ I agree a waste of the courts time, though at the same time it's setting a precedent for future animal cruelty rulings.
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 11, 2008 8:50:36 GMT -5
I just kills me that NY can call the case of the duck being abused a major issue when something horrifying such as this went uninvestigated. Had it been properly handled, three young children would still be alive. I'm all for helping animals from unnecessary abuse. But there is no comparison between a human and an animal. I guess the point I am trying to make is that the story of the duck getting an order of protection was all over the news, but the children who teachers, friends and family members put complaints of abuse in with CPS and nothing was done, never made the news. Nothing was done before those kids lives were taken.
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Post by CountessRachel on Apr 12, 2008 1:38:24 GMT -5
While the media could do days and days worth of stories surrounding child and/or spouse abuse, the duck's protection order is "more interesting" because--well it's something our society isn't used to. And that's a rather depressing thought.
On the issue of animal abuse by children, I'm terrified of those kinds of kids. Mainly because (and I hate to say "those kids are doomed") but those kids are doomed to be serial killers. It's almost impossible to correct that kind of behavior.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Apr 12, 2008 6:41:10 GMT -5
Please tell me they didn't think those kids would actually listen to that order. I don't mean they should beat the kids or anything but some form of punishment should've been taken. -___-;
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Post by girlunderglass on Apr 12, 2008 9:06:40 GMT -5
I'm lost VoC. The kids int he article I posted were only 6,5 and 1. Their mother stabbed and beat them to death. There were many CPS reports made and the day she killed them, someone was supposed to go to the house and follow up. I really wish they did.
The teens in the duck story- well, I guess they have no choice but to stay away from the duck. It is now protected by law. Had they been my teenage kids, I still would have taught them a lesson they soon would not forget. There is no excuse for animal cruelty.
I agree CR.. you have to wonder just what a child sees in their own house that prompts them to think such actions are permissible. I'm not talking about "My mother never hugged me enough" sort of stuff either. Something serious has to go on with those walls for a person to find logic in harming anything innocent- even if they wish to claim it as being 'fun'.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Apr 13, 2008 21:50:06 GMT -5
As for the kids in that article it was truly shocking. To think that if we just payed attention more that could've been avoided. I don't know what to say to that story, it just doesn't seem possible for a mother to do that to their own flesh and blood. Yet it happened. I haven't been this shocked since I learned about that Jonestown massacre and that wasn't even something recent.
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Post by lunar-tsunami on Apr 20, 2008 12:01:52 GMT -5
CPS is unfortunately really broken. There's too many opportunities for holes in the system. For that matter, action should probably be taken sooner. In the case of the kids with the crazy mom, there should have been drastic treatment offered to the mother IMMEDIATELY, especially since everyone apparently knew about her being suicidal. But is there the budget for that, the paperwork for that? No..and it's really horrible. And for that matter, her extended family could possibly have done more to help their own. I suppose hindsight is 20/20. But for the duck, I think that it does deserve protection. Granted, it seems a little weird to put it under legal protection, but all life deserves the right to live happily and unharmed, be it ducks or kids. Ducks seem to be pretty feeling creatures to me. Once a couple of years ago, there were some ducks who used to hang out in my family's yard. I had given them some bread once to get them out of the street (cars whizzed by really fast sometimes and I was worried they'd get run over). They apparently found the yard comfy and would hang out under my dad's sprinklers. One day, the main female of the group followed my mom up to the front porch and actually tried to get in the front door. She was anxiously trying to get our attention. It turned out that one of her guy duck friends had an injured foot. He was okay but having problems moving around too much without limping. They were still wild though and we didn't want to scare them, but we felt he could use some help. So we would put out a little tray of food and water in the backyard while he was having a hard time moving until he got better. It didn't take too long. And the ducks still come by and visit in the spring and summer.
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Post by Victim ~*of *~Circumstances on Apr 22, 2008 7:19:37 GMT -5
^All true. If only people cared more certain tragedies could've been avoided. Which in part is the ultimate tragedy, knowing you're able to change something for the better and yet not having the courage to go through with it.
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Post by spiritmage234 on Apr 30, 2008 18:47:53 GMT -5
I'm for animal welfare and all, but this ties with the "Cheeseburger Act" in stupidity.
This is news in general: the fact that the media reports more on celebrity news instead of the rise of domestic abuse, drug smuggling, and the most recent killing spree, makes me want to destroy the media.
News media seriously needs reform people. The fact that people are more enthralled about reading about ducks and how celebrities are having more illegitimate children is really, REALLY disappointing.
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Post by CountessRachel on Apr 30, 2008 21:41:23 GMT -5
I don't think it's so much people care more about ducks than killing sprees. I think that as a whole, society gets so overloaded with negative news involving abuse, murder, fraud etc. that (and I hate to put it this way) it becomes desensitized or tired of the negative emotions these events evoke. I know people who refuse to watch the news altogether because it always depresses them.
In short, people might take interest in frivolous news not because they more interesting, but because it doesn't make them feel miserable.
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Post by Sheogorath on May 1, 2008 1:57:58 GMT -5
I'm for animal welfare and all, but this ties with the "Cheeseburger Act" in stupidity. This is news in general: the fact that the media reports more on celebrity news instead of the rise of domestic abuse, drug smuggling, and the most recent killing spree, makes me want to destroy the media. News media seriously needs reform people. The fact that people are more enthralled about reading about ducks and how celebrities are having more illegitimate children is really, REALLY disappointing. About that... Like CR said, people become so desensitized by the fact that that there's so many negative and horrendous things out there that they won't willingly watch the news or will pay more attention to celebrity news. Myself, I revel in the negative. I want people to know it's there. I want them to do something about it. Sure, it's easy to say 'But you're only one person. What can you do?' Alot, that's what. It only takes one person to start a neighborhood-wide campaign to keep a local park clean, or to make a difference in the lives of underpriveleged children. Or, as lunar tsunami had done, to save a flock of ducks from getting run over. And on the subject of the suicidal mother who killed her children, and the event going under the radar... The human mind bends and twists to better accept the horrors of reality, but sometimes, the mind twists so much, it snaps in two. You tell me, if there were nothing but the horrors of reality, and I mean the worst of the worst, the most vile things on the news, all day every day, with nothing to distract, would not people begin to become depressed? Would not they begin to accept it and not even try to set right the wrongs, or worse yet, begin doing these things themselves? Now, on the case of the duck that got the order of protection, I do believe that all living things, no matter their seeming level of intelligence, do have the right to live peacefully and happily, and while it certainly is peculiar, despite the fact that I would like people to recognize the negative aspects and try to eliminate them, I'd much rather read the quirky story of a duck getting an order of protection than the horrifying and/or depressing story of the latest killing spree. And on that note, it certainly surprises me, the depths of cruelty some people do sink to sometimes. Shooting a harmless, innocent duck, with a pellet gun for no other reason than because they thought it was "fun?" My God, what is wrong with those kids? If it had been my kids, regardless of what the courts might or might not have done, they'd have gotten a big hand to the backs of their heads and a few choice words about their chosen actions. Volunteering at a local animal rescue doesn't seem cruel or unusual to me, either.
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