o8jedi
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Post by o8jedi on Feb 28, 2008 17:46:44 GMT -5
I never said that the driver should have hit her. This is the second sentence I said on this topic: I do not condone the actions of the bus driver or others who have had similar incidents, but I also do not condemn it. Of course the driver's gonna get reprimanded or even discharged. Corporal punishment is prohibited in public schools. All I'm saying is that, as unfortunate as the escalation was, I sympathize with the driver for trying to deal with this blithering imbecile who wouldn't just shut up and calmly try to explain the situation. The only way that I can possibly sympathize with the girl is that she got a phone call saying that her mom got shot in the home and she's bleeding to death.
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attonbitus
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Post by attonbitus on Feb 28, 2008 18:56:13 GMT -5
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Chevalier Vi Liberté
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Feb 28, 2008 19:02:10 GMT -5
What I saw in the video was the girl the driver asked why are you on this bus, the girl said that she needed to get of the bus, driver never said why she could not get off the bus, instead she decided that it be a better idea to block the way of the girl (who did nothing wrong at this point).Then I saw that the girl come up t the front of the bus saying I need to get of here,the bus driver still han no response, so what did the girl do, she called her mother in attempt to get the driver to allow the girl to get off of the bus. Ever heard of legal responsiblity? The girl is not allowed off the bus once she enters until she reaches drop off area. If the driver were to let her off the bus wherever she wanted and she was injured, killed or raped the driver would be held responsible. The bus driver should of handled things in a more controlled manner but that girl was clearly taking things overboard with all the screaming and drama from the driver just touching her. I watched the video a few times and it looks like the bus driver asked the girl why she was on the bus because all the noise/drama she was causing while the driver was trying to do her job and take the girl to her stop. Anyways, both the unruly girl and the bus driver played their roles and violated the law so its only fair both are punished. Both were charged with similar offenses. o8jedi, Killer of Threads The bus driver was put on paid reassignment. She has not been fired.
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Post by Firerajah the CRYPTIC ☣ on Feb 28, 2008 19:33:48 GMT -5
What I saw in the video was the girl the driver asked why are you on this bus, the girl said that she needed to get of the bus, driver never said why she could not get off the bus, instead she decided that it be a better idea to block the way of the girl (who did nothing wrong at this point).Then I saw that the girl come up t the front of the bus saying I need to get of here,the bus driver still han no response, so what did the girl do, she called her mother in attempt to get the driver to allow the girl to get off of the bus. Ever heard of legal responsiblity? The girl is not allowed off the bus once she enters until she reaches drop off area. If the driver were to let her off the bus wherever she wanted and she was injured, killed or raped the driver would be held responsible. The bus driver should of handled things in a more controlled manner but that girl was clearly taking things overboard with all the screaming and drama from the driver just touching her. I agree with the fact that the bus driver handling things poorly, but I don't think the driver should not of let the girl get her phone to call her mom, and wasn't the part of this mess because she could not get her phone ( despite it being $400 no fair).
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Post by avatarasabat on Feb 28, 2008 23:35:13 GMT -5
Honestly I think the Bus driver only wrong was the fact she "hit" the student.
Little brat needs to sit her but down. I was appalled at the way Kim was treated. How dare her. Brat needs to be spanked...hard
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Post by Consonant*** on Mar 2, 2008 13:15:11 GMT -5
Okay first thing the I think it was way more the bus driver's fault than the girls. Because hello there would've been a more mature and easier way to stop the girl from getting off the bus and the bus driver being the adult should've handled it as so. She could've told the girl that she couldn't get off the bus because she, the bus driver, would've been held responsible. Then she could've calmly asked her to please wait to the next stop to get off the bus. Now yes the girl might have still been ticked off and she probably would not even respect it but at least that she would understand the bus driver's reason for not letting her get off the bus. The most important thing is that the bus driver should have never touched her and in the end I think the girl was more angry about that than anything else. Except the girl was going to the lever to open the door. And then she was going for her confiscated phone. Please explain to me how she was supposed to stop the girl from opening the door and leaving without, you know, stopping her?
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Post by Escalus (Syn) on Mar 2, 2008 14:20:52 GMT -5
Personally, I was appaled at both of them. The girl, frankly, was in the wrong for not calling the athourities. The bus driver should not have touched her. I think the girl had a right to get angry at that, it all sprialed away from there.
What I don't understand/see was what happened under the camera? Was there another person that started the fist fight? Those need to be answered.
As a jonior in hight school, I would have exited the bus by at least the 5 minute mark. I realize that it is against the law, but there was cause for my danger. The driver was out of line, as was the girl. I could argue that there was just cause that threatened my safety. That is also admisable in the court of law.
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Post by CountessRachel on Mar 2, 2008 19:12:06 GMT -5
The girl got angry because the bus driver wouldn't let her off--the bus driver touching her only worsened the matter.
The only reason I think the bus driver touched her was because in buses there's that white line you're not allowed to cross unless the driver says you can. What happened under the camera, from what I can assume is that the girl assaulted the bus driver and held her down--that's when the bus driver's daughter ran up and jumped on the other student. (Granted, had that been my mom, I would have done the exact same thing).
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Post by bagpipe turtle on Mar 3, 2008 20:03:52 GMT -5
^We don't have any white lines like that on our buses? I'm not sure if that's just my state, but, yeah.
I think the girl should be a bit more mature about the way she approaches problems. I ride the bus to and from school every day, and if you speak to the bus driver calmly, politely, and respectfully, they won't hit you. If she wanted to get off the bus at a different stop, she should have called her mom and let her talk to the bus driver and/or brought a note in. If they did these things, it'd be saying her parents understood the risks of letting their daughter off at the wrong stop, and the bus driver would not be liable if the girl got mugged or raped. On the other side, the bus driver had no right to touch the girl or throw her phone on the ground. And, from my view, she was kind of targeting the girl in the beginning. She didn't have to go and ask her all those questions, "Why do you ride the bus?" etc. IMO, she should have just kept driving and let each person out at their respective stops, not let the situation escalate by addressing the girl directly, making her feel like she had done something wrong; when I saw no problem in the very beginning of the footage.
I think both parties are at fault.
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Post by CountessRachel on Mar 4, 2008 15:20:13 GMT -5
The girl in the video did "supposedly" call her mom. Then again, there's no way to verify a note or someone's voice. For all we know, the girl could have called her cousin to give her permission of leave and said it was her mom. And it's quite common these days for kids to falsify notes and signatures.
In the case of the bus driver's questions, just throwing out assumptions here, the girl may not have even been registered to ride that particular bus in the first place. I honestly doubt the bus driver would intentionally single out one student and ask him/her a question like that if she didn't have a good reason.
I agree both parties are at fault, but the student carries most of the blame for failure to comply with the authoritative figure. If the bus driver had just sat down, called the police and waited for the cops to put that little snot in the back of a squad car, there wouldn't have been such a fuss.
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Post by Consonant*** on Mar 7, 2008 17:30:00 GMT -5
I don't think anybody here realizes why the bus driver touched her. She's not legally allowed to leave the bus, and she was attempting to push her way past the bus driver to open the door. There was physically no other way for the bus driver to keep her on the bus.
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