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Post by Consonant*** on Feb 27, 2008 23:54:41 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgWkdGStZIo&feature=bz301A half-million views in less that a week, the video in which a school bus driver's chastising of a student on a Friday afternoon escalated into a fist fight is one of the most hotly debated videos of the past week. Watch and discuss. From what I saw, the bus driver was in the right, although there are three variables that could change that: What the girl was saying, who actually punched the other and whether or not it was her stop. By law, the bus driver can not let/kick her off the bus unless it is her stop, so she was correct in that regard. Defenders of the girl say she was doing nothing different than the rest of the kids, and she got yelled at by the bus driver because of the noise. But come on, let's face it, saying "Please be quiet" over the intercom doesn't work half as well as calling someone out. That girl should have never talked back, she was being a total drama queen and goading the driver into doing something in front of the camera. She was egging on the students the whole time, she needs to sit down and shut up or else she'll end up working at a Wal-Mart.
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Post by o8jedi on Feb 28, 2008 0:29:28 GMT -5
I've spent 14 years on my public school system's buses. I do not condone the actions of the bus driver or others who have had similar incidents, but I also do not condemn it. After all, it's a really rough job. Dealing with screaming kindergarteners and uncooperative middle- and high-schoolers two times a day, five days a week for several hours? No salary in the world would make me want to take that up.
If there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is idiots. Let me define "idiot." An idiot is someone with a complete absence of common sense and respect (many times, including themselves). You run into idiots all the time. They're the people working the counter who make you wait a few minutes while they "do something important." They're the guys who kick up a stink about nothing. They're the ones who manage to get by because they put out. I don't have a problem with ignorance. Ignorance can be corrected. Idiocy, however, can't. Clearly, student was an idiot.
Every time one of these makes the news, I say aloud, "Ah, jeez, not again," but inside I say, "Kick his a**, Seabass!" The sad thing is, the idiot won't learn. She'll just get on her high idiot horse and milk the pity cow for all its worth.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Feb 28, 2008 1:11:43 GMT -5
From what I can tell, both the girl and the bus driver were at wrong. Of course, the bus driver shouldn't of touched the girl unless the girl came at her first. Secondly, the bus driver has a legal responsibility to not let the girl off the bus so the bus driver was right there. Still, the bus driver could of handled things more maturely but I don't blame her for overreacting a bit because that little spoiled girl with her "$400 cell phone" has no idea how the law works and was creating way too much drama. She's so ignorant she doesn't realize that the bus driver cannot let her off the bus because she bares legal responsibility for her once she enters the bus.
At least both the girl and the bus driver were charged equally in their feud and luckally the bus driver was put on paid reassignment
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Post by CountessRachel on Feb 28, 2008 1:12:46 GMT -5
I honestly don't see why this is news--or even worth debating. This kind of confrontation happens daily with inner city school kids and their bus drivers. Why give this drama queen 15 minutes of fame? I vote for bus drivers to be equipped with tazers or pepper spray. After all...those were just spoiled suburbia kids who never experience any real problems in life.
Her issue is that she was an elitist. She figures she doesn't have to respect the bus driver because that's not a "respectable" profession. And what's even more sad as that out of all those kids on the bus, only 2 girls ask the bus driver if she's okay.
The girl was being a royal pain, no doubt. But then again, she did say, "Lady, don't touch me." As far as who was at fault? Simple. Her parents.
(What I really don't understand is how the girl could afford a "$400" phone while riding public transportation on the way to school...)
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Feb 28, 2008 1:17:05 GMT -5
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Post by o8jedi on Feb 28, 2008 1:58:16 GMT -5
^ Well, one can only do so much liberal-bashing before it begins to bog one down.
Please add more to your post thank you.
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Post by Chevalier Vi Liberté on Feb 28, 2008 3:34:29 GMT -5
^ Unless it has any relevance to the thread all you wrote is spam. The mods are cracking down on that so just letting you know.
We appreciate the help but you need to remember to move the debate forward with your post. So please add more to your post next time, thanks.
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Post by Consonant*** on Feb 28, 2008 4:20:18 GMT -5
^ Well, one can only do so much liberal-bashing before it begins to bog one down. Wut Add more to your post please. More than a word and really more than one sentence to be appropriate for CT.
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Post by spiritmage234 on Feb 28, 2008 8:05:39 GMT -5
After watching this video, I'm really glad that I never had to ride the bus in high school. I don't think this is a debatable topic. This is one of those things you just talk/laugh about, but I'll have my say. Kids and buses just don't mix. A bunch of morally frustrated 14-18 year olds in an enclosed space with load music and tons of sugar after lunch is a BIG annoyance and problem is they decide to, you know, be teenagers and act a fool. This sort of thing happened all the time when I took the bus to and from school in middle school. I can easily say that any confrontation on the bus was single handidly the students' fault, because it was because the students were in a fight, or disobeying the bus driver's orders (standing up on the bus, putting there back packs in front of the emergency escape door, etc.). In this case, I don't see what the big deal was. I'm not so clear of why this whole confrontation happened. The girl just wanted to get off the bus, but was it that she wanted to get off at a stop that wasn't designated by the school district? In that case, the bus driver was just doing her duty of ensuring the student's safety. The brunnette girl just became waaaaaaay to dramatic over a trivial matter (like all dumb teenaged girls do nowadays), and the blonde chic - where the HELL did she come from? That was unnecesary attention grabbing, and it's people like her that make situation like this worse. But the bus driver shouldn't have touched her. Teenager like using the slightest tap to the shoulder as a plausible excuse to "defend" themselves. Being me and all, if I were the bus driver, I would have just let the girl get off, but if something happened to her, I'd be held accountable, so I couldn't. But this situation did not have to esculate so far. So in the end, this is more fitted to be on "The Soup" rather than the news, annnnnd teenagers have very, very disturbing anger issues nowadays to get this ticked off at something so incredibly dumb.
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Post by Atmos on Feb 28, 2008 8:40:47 GMT -5
Conflicts between spoiled kids and the people who put their foot down (mostly with anger).....nothing new.
As for this individual case, the tape (and provided articles) doesn't show or explain why the kid was being disciplined in the first place, so I'm left in the dark there. Though, being a veteran-bus rider (riding a school bus within a duration an hour and thirty minutes a day) lol, I've seen my share of school bus adventures.
From my understanding, all I heard in the beginning was the bus driver asking "Why are you on this bus?" Unless the kid was on the wrong bus and not getting off her asigned bus stop, there shouldn't be any reason the bus driver should prevent her ever prevent her from getting off.
If the kid was on the wrong bus and getting off a different bus stop but a legitimate reason, she should have discussed the matter to the bus driver and any other school authority before even leaving the school.
However I wondering more on how the kid got on the bus in the first place. I don't know how other schools do it, but in my district, buses were lined up in front after school was over and the bus drivers would be waiting inside. "No bus should be left unattended when kids are entering it." Bus drivers should also do a head count and see all the people that are on the bus to before leaving the school. If there's someone that's not suppose to be on that bus, they are to be kicked out. This is best handled right at the school because if there is a lack of cooperation, the bus driver's right there to call up the principal and let him/her do the disciplining.
So all I'm left to say is that it's the bus driver's fault for not dealing with the situation before she even left the school, no?
Against the kid, what is there to say...she's a spoiled brat with no regards or respect to the school regulations and staff.
Should the bus driver have touched the girl? Hmm...well as I already explained, the bus driver already screwed herself by driving off from school with that girl onboard. From there on, it's all about the degree. She could either...
a) Prevent the girl from leaving (even if it included touching her) and deal with the consequences of inappropriate physical contact of a minor/student/etc.
b) Let the girl get off the wrong bus stop risking the girl's safety. So if something bad really does happen to the girl after walking out that bus, the bus driver will....well let's just say chances are she would probably regret not picking option "A."
Also, I thought taking her cell phone away was completely inapropriate, unless it's the school's regulation not to use cell phones on the bus. After, I don't think that would be the case considering she wasn't the only one using a cell phone. A $400 cell phone...? I'd be skeptical if she was actually telling the truth, but that's another thing aside.
(Of course this is all based on the assumption that the gril wasn't supposed to be on that bus).
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Post by o8jedi on Feb 28, 2008 11:21:09 GMT -5
^ Unless it has any relevance to the thread all you wrote is spam. The mods are cracking down on that so just letting you know. In any case, a very good point was made: What is the context of this video? Please add more to your post as it currently doesn't add anything to the debate, thank you.
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Post by attonbitus on Feb 28, 2008 12:07:08 GMT -5
The situation was that the girl was trying to get off at a stop she was not authorized for. While it's not known to many but most school districts have a policy of letting students off the bus where they were pick up. This is for liability reasons, ie kid getting lost, starting fights with other students once off the bus etc.
The teen girl (i believe she was 15-16) was trying to get off at an unauthorized stop. The bus driver said she couldn't get off and the teen gave her lip and was aggressive. Well you really can't stop some one from getting off the bus without putting your hands on them and the driver did that. The girl flips out and another girls jumps in. Turns out this is the daughter of the bus driver.
I don't see any problem here. FYI I rode my school district's bus from 1st grade through my junior year of high school.
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Post by FireRani on Feb 28, 2008 13:32:50 GMT -5
The situation was that the girl was trying to get off at a stop she was not authorized for. While it's not known to many but most school districts have a policy of letting students off the bus where they were pick up. This is for liability reasons, ie kid getting lost, starting fights with other students once off the bus etc. The teen girl (i believe she was 15-16) was trying to get off at an unauthorized stop. The bus driver said she couldn't get off and the teen gave her lip and was aggressive. Well you really can't stop some one from getting off the bus without putting your hands on them and the driver did that. The girl flips out and another girls jumps in. Turns out this is the daughter of the bus driver. I don't see any problem here. FYI I rode my school district's bus from 1st grade through my junior year of high school. Okay first thing the I think it was way more the bus driver's fault than the girls. Because hello there would've been a more mature and easier way to stop the girl from getting off the bus and the bus driver being the adult should've handled it as so. She could've told the girl that she couldn't get off the bus because she, the bus driver, would've been held responsible. Then she could've calmly asked her to please wait to the next stop to get off the bus. Now yes the girl might have still been ticked off and she probably would not even respect it but at least that she would understand the bus driver's reason for not letting her get off the bus. The most important thing is that the bus driver should have never touched her and in the end I think the girl was more angry about that than anything else.
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Post by o8jedi on Feb 28, 2008 14:11:57 GMT -5
Have you ever tried to get a teenage girl who's clearly spoiled ($400 phone) to cooperate without physical force? It's almost impossible. Granted, as a school employee, the driver shouldn't have touched the girl, but f*** her. I have no love for idiots. I do not suffer fools gladly. As far as I'm concerned, the driver's a martyr in the Crusade Against Idiocy.
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Post by Firerajah the CRYPTIC ☣ on Feb 28, 2008 17:08:04 GMT -5
^Spoiled or not, I don't think that gives a bus driver the option to put a hand on the student. What I saw in the video was the girl the driver asked why are you on this bus, the girl said that she needed to get of the bus, driver never said why she could not get off the bus, instead she decided that it be a better idea to block the way of the girl (who did nothing wrong at this point).Then I saw that the girl come up t the front of the bus saying I need to get of here,the bus driver still han no response, so what did the girl do, she called her mother in attempt to get the driver to allow the girl to get off of the bus.The driver did not like this idea so what did she do, what everyone would do in this situation, throw the girls phone down to the ground (twice) and the second time not let her pick it back up.
No one gave the driver permission to hit the girl despite if she would have listed without physical force or not that's like saying I have a nephew (that is extremely spoiled) that I'm baby sitting. he did not cooperate with what I sayed so I hit him.
fool, brat, idiot, or oaf that does not give someone who parents put trust in everyday to hit the youth.
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