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Post by bluespiritzuko on Feb 19, 2007 21:54:09 GMT -5
The only time Katara cried about her mother was in the cave with ZUKO she never cried when talking about her mother in font of Haru JET or EVEN AANG!
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Post by Melis on Feb 19, 2007 21:57:04 GMT -5
The only time Katara cried about her mother was in the cave with ZUKO she never cried when talking about her mother in font of Haru JET or EVEN AANG! That's because she was riled up by screaming at Zuko, and telling him how horrible a person he was...? It's clear she's not completely over it, but just because she doesn't share that intimate part of herself with Aang doesn't mean that she'll never be interested in him. Nor does it mean that because she opened up about her mother to Zuko means that she'll start loving him out of the blue.
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Post by mindbender18 on Feb 19, 2007 21:59:36 GMT -5
Seriously, Zuko and Katara might become friends, but romance.....no
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Post by bluespiritzuko on Feb 19, 2007 22:02:44 GMT -5
See its sooo much bigger when it comes to zuko he never opens up about himself seriously!
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Post by Melis on Feb 19, 2007 22:08:07 GMT -5
See its sooo much bigger when it comes to zuko he never opens up about himself seriously! I'm guessing the reason Zuko and Katara had that scene in the cave was so that Katara (along with us, the viewers) realize that he is in fact, human. He's not just "the face of the enemy", he's much more than that. Also, it could lead to either two possibilities for the two: Romance or a platonic relationship. I'm leaning towards the latter, because unless they smash Kataang to pieces in the beginning of the new season, then there wouldn't be enough time for Zuko and Katara's moment to overcome the Kataang scenes/moments/hints, etc.
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Post by mindbender18 on Feb 19, 2007 22:10:18 GMT -5
and especially with the huge possibility of Maiko happening
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Post by yiceman on Feb 19, 2007 23:09:19 GMT -5
There's nothing in existence that can qualify as concrete proof in favor of Zutara, unfortunatly. The fact that the two of them were able to talk to one another peacefully for an hour or two does not a romance make.
If it happens, it'll need a good deal more work. But it's not impossible. You say Kataang would have to be smashed into pieces first? Not so. First of all, there's no way they'd end the series with a miserable Aang. But that doesn't mean he should just get everything he wants either; that's not a very good message. Just abandon your responsibilities for personal reasons, kids, Aang did it!
The way I see things, if it's destined to be, the gradual romance would occur as Aang continues to doubt what he must choose throughout season 3. You know they'll want to keep us watching until the end.
trustno1 presented an interesting arguement regarding the paralism of Aang and Zuko's characters, which I will now rant off here..."I think it's even rather dangerous. Katara was identified as an equivalent to Gyatso and the monks by the 4th chakra vision, but he is partly to blame (or atleast blames himself) for Gyatsos death by running away from his responcibility because it seemingly would have cut the bond between him and Gyatso. Ironically if Aang wouldn't have run away he would leave the AN with Gyatso. No one is being punished for doing the right thing on AtlA. Aang decision may look like he would give up his love for Katara, but actually embracing his responcibility would make him able to share his love with her by fullfilling his, even if it would mean that he won't be her boyfriend. I prefer such a deep understanding of sacrifice, selflessness and love above a possible relationship. I also hope that Aang won't get Katara as a sort of prize after doing the right decision as some Kataangers assume, since it would make the decision a hollow one imho.
I feel supported by the mirroring storytelling of Aang and Zuko. Zuko wants to be aknowledged by Ozais as his son, like Aang wants to be aknowledged as a boyfriend from Katara, both obviously won't get what they want, so as a reaction both keep on blaming others, for living in a dream world. Zuko probably blames Aang for his situation and Aang will probably blame being the Avatar for their misery instead of seeing that Ozai hates his son and Katara loves Aang as a friend." ~quoted.
The basic point is, that Aang and Zuko are both persuing lost causes by searching for affections that aren't returned the way they want them to be. Right now, what is the one thing Aang wants most in the world? Katara. What should he want? To help save the world. And what about Zuko? He wants his fathers love, when he should work on saving his people. We all know these two characters have shown parallel paths over and over, from The Storm to their choices in CoD. Zuko's chose to continue seeking his father's love, and we all know what the end result will be. What about Aang? It seems to me that he made the wrong choice as well. If he had been able to put aside his attachment for Katara he could have thought things through, mastered the Avatar State with the Guru, and then gone to save her and Ba Sing Se. So is he going to be rewarded for his bad choice? Are things going to work out for him, but not for Zuko, his parallel opposite? I doubt it.
I believe the reasons kataang has remained one-sided is so that in the end, it will be Aang's and Aang's choice alone. If he and Katara were in an actual romance, both of them would talk it over, and Aang would more than likely do whatever Katara suggested. Now THAT'S a good idea for the avatar, just listen to your girlfriend. So it will be his choice alone, and in the end...there are 3 scenarios.
1. Aang choses Katara, and his role as the avatar dwindles away. He is happy with her, but he lacks the power, insight, enlightenment, and knowledge to keep the world safe. 2. There's some lame loophole and Aang has her and remains a resonsible avatar...blaaah 3. Aang choses to rise up to his duty and responsibility as the avatar, keeping his relationship with Katara as a friendship, as she sees it now.
Why do I think #3 will happen? Because that's been the major theme of the show. The theme hasn't been "You'll always be happy, get what you want, and fall in love with who you want." The theme has been about Aang rising up to accept his role as the avatar, to accept the duty and responsibility. He had to overcome that he IS indeed the avatar, he had to overcome the guilt of running away, he had to overcome the helplessness he felt in the SoTN, now he has to overcome the difficulties with the Avatar State. The way I see it, the final scene will have an Aang who is stronger, more independent, and more confident than he has EVER been. I think that's a way more heroic figure than an Aang who won Katara as a prize for saving the day, now he can retire and cuddle with her. ANother interesting tibit, I recall hearing that Buddha left his wife to reach full enlightenment. Isn't Tibet Buddhism a big influence on the show? Not that this proves anything, but something to think about.
I honestly don't see what sort of character development or lessons Aang could learn if he gets Katara.
So why would Zutara happen? There's no proof, and limited time. I think it would happen, because you have these two explosive, dynamic, strong characters who are basically the embodiments of Yin and Yang, and pairing them up would be more interesting and facination to watch.
As trustno1 said in another message, Aang and Katara are "boring friends." They always agree, have no conflict or any real interaction other than Aang crushing and Katara being crushed on. They would make a boring couple, and seeing their romance unfold would be boring. Granted, this is my opinion, but no one's successfully convinced me otherwise. ("Aang, I love you too but I never realized it the past 6 months we've been together until now! /snore)
The purpose of this show is to entertain, and zutara would be more intertaining than kataang, imo. That's no concerete evidence or proof, but think about it, it makes sense.
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Post by pheonee on Feb 20, 2007 5:11:48 GMT -5
Actually, quite against everyone's wishes, Chinese belief states there is, in fact, a lame loophole Letting go of someone means you won't flip out, chuck a temper tanty, kill a thousand people and commit suicide if that person is taken from you. So far, Aang hasn't managed that. But it is perfetly possible that he will. His love for Katara is not an attachment, and if it were, it could be turned from one into a simpler, more innocent love. Some may say that it will destroy true love. But true love doesn't mean avenging someone's death. At least, it does not hinge on that alone. So there. That's your loophole.
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Post by bluespiritzuko on Feb 20, 2007 9:55:16 GMT -5
Maiko never mai having a boyfriend or whatever would completly ruin her charactor! really she is ment just to be bored and pesimistic, Zuko does not need that negitiive attitude! (he needs someone who will care for him coughkataracough)
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Post by Amira on Feb 20, 2007 9:58:17 GMT -5
Maiko never mai having a boyfriend or whatever would completly ruin her charactor! really she is ment just to be bored and pesimistic, Zuko does not need that negitiive attitude! (he needs someone who will care for him coughkataracough) Actually the last thing Zuko needs is someone who would coddle him and play caretaker to him and because of her tendencies to that direction, I fear Katara would do just that.
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Post by frozenwind141 on Feb 20, 2007 10:01:29 GMT -5
Maiko never mai having a boyfriend or whatever would completly ruin her charactor! really she is ment just to be bored and pesimistic, Zuko does not need that negitiive attitude! (he needs someone who will care for him coughkataracough) I think Mai is a much more complicated character then just the boring sad girl that she has been labeled. We've seen glimpses of her hidden characters and I think she acts alot differently around Zuko. We learn alot more about her in Season 3 and hopefully that will change peoples opinions.
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Post by bluespiritzuko on Feb 20, 2007 11:14:11 GMT -5
I really don't think zuko needs mai, zuko got close to katara in the cave and trusted her! And Katara would be perfect for zuko he needs someone to UNDERSTAND him, Katara would do that, she is a good listiner she is helpful when people are going through hard timees like in the desert or the storm or the crossroads of destiny.
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Post by Melis on Feb 20, 2007 13:17:53 GMT -5
Does he really trust her? He hardly knows her. True, he got to know a side of her that nobody has of as of yet, but it doesn't mean that he suddenly thinks of her as a comrad. Katara hardly knows him too, and I don't know if she really understands him, but most likely, has gotten to know a side of him that she never even knew was possible.
Not only that, but Zuko basically slapped her on the face when he went and joined up with Azula. Not only that, but was indirectly responsible for her best friend's death. Katara's probably back to think of Zuko as "the enemy" if anything.
The thing is that, if Katara can be like that with Zuko, then why can't she be like that with Aang? We're not sure of her feelings, but I doubt she'd start to like the guy so soon.
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Post by bluespiritzuko on Feb 20, 2007 13:41:48 GMT -5
Watch season three there WILL be more zutara!
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Post by Power on Feb 20, 2007 13:47:44 GMT -5
You seem very determined there bluespirit, I am not saying Zutara is finished, Zuko must make amends with Katara for what happened in the finale, squashing her trust and indirectly helping his sister kill her best friend.
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