Gotterdammerung
Casual Zuko
sorry. i'm fresh out of the ability to care.
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Post by Gotterdammerung on Jun 5, 2007 9:10:55 GMT -5
I wasn't getting huffy. I was just explaining why I didn't see any similarities between Jack and Aang or Zuko/Katara and Will/Elizabeth. Also, "epic" doesn't mean "interesting," as such the subjective judgement that something is boring does not negate it being epic. It's just a reference to the scope of a thing, how far beyond ordinary or average it is.
And it's not a double-standard to like Aang/Katara but not Will/Elizabeth. No one ever said that everyone always has to like the same sorts of pairings. If you want to preference Jack/Elizabeth over Will/Elizabeth, but dismiss Zuko/Katara in favor of Aang/Katara that's fine. Unless you went around saying that an Aang/Katara-like dynamic is the only valid one, there's no hypocrisy involved. My only thing was that I felt your attempts to parallel the two pairings you preferenced were erroneous because, in both cases, the one you preference in each fandom is infinitely more similar to the one you dislike in the other (even down to the relative canonosity and fandom reaction to both).
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blackrose108
Katara
*insert a funny personal text here*
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Post by blackrose108 on Jun 5, 2007 15:49:30 GMT -5
i ship kataang because that was what was first hitted in the show, those are the ships i go for. i mean even in the previews for the show before it came out the where dropping hints. trust me i go for what's there, and if zutara was hinted first i would be all over that ship, but still kataang rocks the love world so ha.......and ha. BlackRose108-----hard core kataanger 4 life (yo)
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Post by Aibhill on Jun 5, 2007 18:18:57 GMT -5
I don't support Kataang exactly. I do believe that it WILL happen in the show, there are too many hints to ignore, however I don't love it. I would rather have a dramatic, angsty, passionate romance any day over a cutesy cute fluffy crush. That's just me and I'm sure you have different opinions. It isn't my favorite pairing ever, I don't find it all that interesting, but I do like parts of it. I think Aang's little crush on Katara is too adorable and their relationship is cute on a friendship basis. And it's pretty much canon and canon is law.
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Post by Amira on Jun 5, 2007 18:23:20 GMT -5
But it isn't some cutesy fluffy crush. People who see it for just that are usually the people who do not support it. Aang's love for Katara is something deep, epic, emotional, and enduring and the only thing that is keeping it from being what one would consider physically passionate is their ages. And the whole bit with "letting go" of Katara is pretty angsty.
And in all honesty, Zuko is a bit of a dweeb. He's socially awkward and doesn't strike me as a paragon of passion. But that is yet another fan-based idea.
I know people are entitled to opinions, but I really wish people would stop labeling Kataang as just some cutesy crush. The season finale clearly showed it's more than that (at least on Aang''s part if nothing else).
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Post by Aibhill on Jun 5, 2007 18:28:07 GMT -5
That's the opinion I got. The only romantic bits with those two together depicted it that way. I love the friendship they share; it's completely heartwarming. However whenever romance is thrown in Aang immediatley gets all dorky and little kiddish. Hey, I won't deny Zuko can be a dweeb around some girls.
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Post by mindbender18 on Jun 5, 2007 18:29:16 GMT -5
But it isn't some cutesy fluffy crush. People who see it for just that are usually the people who do not support it. Aang's love for Katara is something deep, epic, emotional, and enduring and the only thing that is keeping it from being what one would consider physically passionate is their ages. And the whole bit with "letting go" of Katara is pretty angsty. And in all honesty, Zuko is a bit of a dweeb. He's socially awkward and doesn't strike me as a paragon of passion. But that is yet another fan-based idea. I know people are entitled to opinions, but I really wish people would stop labeling Kataang as just some cutesy crush. The season finale clearly showed it's more than that (at least on Aang''s part if nothing else). I agree. *Karma* If it was just some "cutesy fluff crush"? ( that's a new one ) i wouldn't be shipping it. and seeing how big a dork Zuko is, Zutara or any other Zuko ship wouldn't be all that passionate
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Post by Amira on Jun 5, 2007 18:33:05 GMT -5
That's the opinion I got. The only romantic bits with those two together depicted it that way. I love the friendship they share; it's completely heartwarming. However whenever romance is thrown in Aang immediatley gets all dorky and little kiddish. Hey, I won't deny Zuko can be a dweeb around some girls. Zuko is a dweeb around all girls. Either that or he is completely oblivious to females being females. Aang's responses to Katara are age appropriate and seriously, Aang's not going to be Mr. Romance-Novel-Suave. That's just not who he is and in all honesty, Katara doesn't seem to mind. And it all boils down to what they have Katara liking in terms of suitors. Aang's attempts at wooing Katara are charming and in a story in which the main focus is on war and battling human suffering, the light-hearted sweet coming-of-age/blossoming romance story of Aang and Katara keeps the series from being, IMO, too heavy with angst and depressing themes.
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Post by psylum on Jun 5, 2007 18:36:25 GMT -5
I don't get how people don't see the angst and drama they've been through, Warriors of Keyoshi, The Water bending Scroll, Bato of the Water Tribe, The Deserter, The Avatar State, Cave of Two Lovers, The Desert, The Serpent's Pass, The Guru, and Crossroads of Destiny feature Kataangst. The thing about them is that they work through it, forgive each other, learn from their mistakes and move on. That's the reason it's what should be seen as the benchmark of a healthy relationship. As Amira said, the only reason it's not Physically passionate is their ages. Give them five or so years and you'll have to pry them apart with the jaws of life. A friend of mine actually made a Kataang vid that displays some of the more dramatic moments. www.livevideo.com/video/4994271BE2474DCEB9F2600F3D1D034A/kataang-crash-and-burn.aspx
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LiveInThaskyE
The Avatars
The Honorary Zutarian
Black God
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Post by LiveInThaskyE on Jun 6, 2007 1:15:27 GMT -5
^^^ Great vid
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Lexy
Katara
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Post by Lexy on Jun 7, 2007 22:01:29 GMT -5
Wow, I havn't posted here in a while. I've seen that video a few times already and I love it, it's beautiful.
I'm a 20-year-old, female kataang supporter. Kataang didn't really capture my interest until around the middle of season 2.
When the relationship between Aang and Katara really started to grow into something very deep and supportive, it's a very well written relationship and I think it's rather unconventional. Usually, the strong female character paired with the somewhat shy protaganist, is very dominating and critical of her significant other.
Katara admires Aang and takes strength from the fact he is the world's last hope, but she also realizes he isn't perfect and gives him support and strength. I think that's what I like most about their relationship; there're mutually supportive of each other and give the other strength, just in different ways.
It really does annoy and confuse me when people say they think Kataang is too cliché. I really think season 2 showed it was anything but that. I don't think their relationship is stereotypical at all after season 2. Am I the only one who thinks this?
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LiveInThaskyE
The Avatars
The Honorary Zutarian
Black God
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Post by LiveInThaskyE on Jun 7, 2007 23:54:06 GMT -5
Believe me,you are not. We are the majority,though barely.
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gambitia
Fiery Ozai
millions have trembled before my pink armor!
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Post by gambitia on Jun 8, 2007 2:06:36 GMT -5
and seeing how big a dork Zuko is, Zutara or any other Zuko ship wouldn't be all that passionate Well, it depends on the girl. I see Maiko as being...serious and deep? Not "passionate" per se, but definitely not as awkward or goofy as Soko or Jinko.
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Post by wildimagination on Jun 8, 2007 13:30:52 GMT -5
I'm a girl and over 18.
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Ana
Metalbending Cop
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Post by Ana on Jun 8, 2007 14:42:33 GMT -5
It really does annoy and confuse me when people say they think Kataang is too cliché. I really think season 2 showed it was anything but that. I don't think their relationship is stereotypical at all after season 2. Am I the only one who thinks this? Oh, no. I, and many other Kataangs as well, think the ship does have its moments but it defiantly isn't super cliche. For example, it's out of the norm that the female is older and you don't usually have such deep/epic relationships on kid shows. Whether you think Kataang is cliche or not usually depends on which side of the shipper fence you're on.
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Post by psylum on Jun 8, 2007 15:23:53 GMT -5
That's because you are going to find cliche aspects in every fictional relationship, Zutara is bad boy/good girl, Suakka is the sexist pig meeting the kick butt girl and changing his views, Tokka is the girl swooning over the male friend that hasn't realized she's a girl, Kataang is hero/heroine, Maiko is the bored girl falling for her friend's brother.
All these aspects have been seen somewhere before, But as they say, the devil is in the details. Kataang is unique in that the girl is older, and is just as physically and emotionally supportive to the hero as he is to her. Zutara doesn't exist in canon, but in even the best fan fic, Katara's bending prowess, or her tendency to stand against injustice, or something wonderful about her character is diminished for the sake of making her Zuko's love interest. Zuko's character is often butchered for the sake of fan fiction as well.
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