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Post by paintedrose on Nov 28, 2006 14:58:04 GMT -5
I feel the same way puggles. I think it's a little odd for a 12 year old boy to claim that he "loves" Katara. I dunno. I think that he has very strong feelings for her, but love is too strong a word. In the last episode "The Earth King" when Katara gave Aang a kiss on the cheek I didn't feel as if she had any romantic intentions surrounding it you know? But what I don't get is the Cave of Two Lovers episode, when she suggested that they kiss she was blushing and at the end of the episode she was blushing again when she thought about the (possible) kiss. I don't understand that because up until that episode she was acting very mother-like towards Aang and no more than that. And even after that episode we haven't seen any change in her actions towards Aang. So what's up? I'm very confused here. lol
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 15:21:34 GMT -5
For a threesome/love triangle thread, this has a very strong anti-kataang bias.... What's with that?
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 15:26:09 GMT -5
She probably hasn't kissed anyone in her entire life. If I was her and I had to do it with a close friend who I considered a little kid, I'd be blushing too...from embarassment!
Okay...I'm being too harsh, but no...I would be embarassed.
Now that I really think about it, I'd be nervous and embarassed! I'm very conservative, though, so maybe that's why. Kisses are for boyfriends and maybe someone you've been dating, for a while.
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 15:26:59 GMT -5
For a threesome/love triangle thread, this has a very strong anti-kataang bias.... What's with that? Hehehehe, sorry. Not intentional. Too many Zutarian's, perhaps???
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 15:29:40 GMT -5
For a threesome/love triangle thread, this has a very strong anti-kataang bias.... What's with that? Hehehehe, sorry. Not intentional. Too many Zutarian's, perhaps??? I was really hoping this thread was for the Zuko/Katara/Aang threesome (as in, all of them together). I'm sorely disappointed...
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 15:31:59 GMT -5
Give us something to talk about, cause we're not really talking about much Mostly sideline chitchat
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Post by Smiles :) on Nov 28, 2006 15:41:35 GMT -5
For a threesome/love triangle thread, this has a very strong anti-kataang bias.... What's with that? I think that most Kataangians don't want to get Zuko involved in a relationship with Katara in anyway; while Zutarians just want to get Zuko in somehow, so more Zutarians drift to this thread.
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 15:48:14 GMT -5
Hey Smiles, I like your name! ;D And I agree with what you said. There aren't that many kataangers on here so we zutarians discuss amongst ourselves. Can you really blame us?
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 15:59:19 GMT -5
Not for discussing Zutara, but putting down Aang is a bit of a sore point. One doesn't need to do that in order to ship Zutara.
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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 16:11:35 GMT -5
They aren't putting down Aang. They're just questioning some psychological aspects and inconsistencies in Kataang. Some of the cons to Kataang. For a threesome/love triangle thread, this has a very strong anti-kataang bias.... What's with that? I don't think this thread is anti-kataang. Or at least, I'm not anti-kataang. I'm just thinking realistically and not ignoring the iffie details of Kataang (and Zutara) and the development of Zuko in the second season. Unlike Kataangers, who tend to overplay Kataang moments and ignore psychological part in each individual and Zuko's development since last season. But I also try not to be like the Zutarians, who tend to underplay Kataang moments, overplay the Zutara moments, and ignore psychological part of ships and Aang's development since last season. This is why I tend to get annoyed with shippers. I feel no ship is worth abandoning reason and logic for. Right now both of them seem to have a very good chance. I've been saying it over and over again. The term "Both" is very supportive for both Kataang and Zutara. It's not being anti-kataang or anti-zutara, it's being realistic. And partly idealistic, I admit, since Kataangko may or may not happen. I've fought arguments against Kataang (age difference, thus ignoring that Zuko could be three years older than her) and I've fought arguments against Zutara (Zuko would only "fall" for her to get Aang, thus ignoring events of Lake Laogai, the Earth King, and what we know of the finale and much of Zuko's development in this season). I'm Zutara sympathetic, but I'm not really a shipper of it. I believe it is possible, and I enjoy the Zutarians' fangirliness and their faithfulness to their ship despite more substancial support for Kataang for so long, but that's pretty much it. Both ships are reasonable and logical to me, and both have pros and cons. I was more supportive of Zutara, since Kataang seemed to be going nowhere, but now that it does seem to be going somewhere and seems more reasonable to me, I feel just as supportive to Kataang as I am Zutara. I'm weird that way, I guess. I'm Kataang and Zutara sympathetic right now. The second one ceases to be logical to me, I'll probably stop supporting it because I'm a perfectionist when it comes to Zutara and Kataang. Enough rambling about my shipping mentality. Anyway, since this is a triangle, I think it's best to look at them on equal grounds, or else you end up supporting one or the other and ultimately, the triangle is unbalanced in the mind, tilted and broken to favor one ship or the other. You have to keep a yin (pro-Kataang) and yang (pro-Zutara) mentality for the triangle to be balanced.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 16:16:03 GMT -5
I'm a Zukaang shipper, so that's where I stand in this discussion. Since actively bringing up that aspect and how I would like to use Kataang/Zutara to the favour of that pairing is more frowned upon than either Zutara or Kataang though, I've been fairly circumspect. Although again, I view Zukataraang as a threesome not a love triangle.
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Post by puggles on Nov 28, 2006 16:19:08 GMT -5
Not for discussing Zutara, but putting down Aang is a bit of a sore point. One doesn't need to do that in order to ship Zutara. I'm sorry, but no one was "putting down" aang. I was merely stating my opinion on why I see Aang and Katara having a romantic relationship as unlikely. Isn't that where the triangle comes in? Because Aang obviously likes Katara, but we don't know where she stands in all this. Bring in Zuko and an attachment from him to her or vice versa, then we have a triangle, right? FYI, I dont know what you mean by putting him down, but to me that means I'm attacking his character or his integrity. If you think I was doing that, then I apologize for the misunderstanding because that's not where I was getting at, at all. Sometimes I may not realize when I'm being anti-kataangish and I suppose I should apologize for that too because I respect your ship. However, I'm really just expressing my opinions. At least I'm not being rude about it and I back up my opinions with actual coherent reasoning.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 16:21:39 GMT -5
Well, in order to be even on both sides of the board, why is there no similiar discussion about why Zutara is unlikely?
Edit: Zuko's got it bad for Aang. There's plenty of evidence for that even if the creators don't want to have same sex relationships on a kids show.
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Post by Ryth76 on Nov 28, 2006 16:29:45 GMT -5
Just a side comment from moi.
As far as triangles go, I usually think of the threesome version of these three as Zutaraang. And the love-triangle of Zuko/Katara/Aang is Kataangko. And I guess a Zuko/Aang/Katara triangle could be Zaangtara. And I guess the roundabout love-triangle version (Zuko/Katara/Aang/then Zuko or Aang/Katara/Zuko/then Aang) of this could be called Kazukaang. Just so people don't get mixed up.
And, as I said before, we need to consider the cons and pros of both ships in order to keep a realistic grip on Kataangko. Despite Kataang being the most favored by the show, it has just as many cons as Zutara, which in turn has just as many pros in psychological aspects as Kataang right now.
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Post by Growly on Nov 28, 2006 16:34:17 GMT -5
Just a side comment from moi. As far as triangles go, I usually think of the threesome version of these three as Zutaraang. And the love-triangle of Zuko/Katara/Aang is Kataangko. And I guess a Zuko/Aang/Katara triangle could be Zaangtara. And I guess the roundabout love-triangle version (Zuko/Katara/Aang/then Zuko or Aang/Katara/Zuko/then Aang) of this could be called Kazukaang. Just so people don't get mixed up. I call the threesome version Zukataraang, but Zaangtara has promise too. The problem is, starting other threads with the names is likely to elicit confusion and might wind up shut down as a repeat topic even if it's not.
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