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Post by Amira on Nov 6, 2006 23:32:55 GMT -5
Wikipedia is written by fans and is subject to bias. This is the same site where in the description for "The Storm" they had hardly anything on Aang's backstory, but several paragraphs dedicated to Zuko's. I disagree with the last statement. She seems very in tune with the feelings of others (cheering up Toph, trying to be understanding towards Aang, etc.)
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Post by rocio on Nov 6, 2006 23:33:50 GMT -5
Look at what I found on Wiki about Katara: The 14-year-old, sole remaining Waterbender of the Southern Water Tribe who, along with her brother Sokka, discovered Aang. She and Sokka accompany him on his quest to defeat the Fire Lord and bring peace to the war-torn nations. She is a very gifted Waterbender who, by season two, achieves her dream by becoming a master Waterbender. Her next task is to train the slower-learning Aang to become a Waterbending master himself. Katara is mature, loving, and responsible. Always looking out for the well-being of others, she is a leader when the situation calls for her to lead. However, she can be overbearing and always thinks her way is the right way, never relenting on her views, even when they are disproved. Despite Katara's kind nature, she has a temper which when combined with her impressive Waterbending skills and idealistic views can be quite destructive. After the passing of their mother at the hands of the Fire Nation, Katara took on a motherly role over her older brother Sokka, and later, Aang. Katara is an idealist, trying to right wrongs and help those that have lost hope. But her kind and controlling nature makes her rather blind to others true feelings and what they really want, rather than what she wants. If wiki say so.................. Wiki manda!!!! (wiki rules) Wikipedia is written by fans and is subject to bias. This is the same site where in the description for "The Storm" they had hardly anything on Aang's backstory, but several paragraphs dedicated to Zuko's. I disagree with the last statement. She seems very in tune with the feelings of others (cheering up Toph, trying to be understanding towards Aang, etc.) I don't think that wiki meant THAT kind of feelings........... |
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Post by Ana on Nov 6, 2006 23:35:06 GMT -5
I'm so going to use the word de-wussification when I get the chance. That being said, I agree. Zuko needs to learn stand on his own to two feet. Iroh, as much as I love him, often saves Zuko tail and I feel it will be the same way with the Gaang. Predictable to the average 7-year old viewer watching the show? Most definitely not. Not necessarily. My 7-year old sister thinks that Zuko may the join Gaang and she assumed this on her own. |
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Post by lunachaos on Nov 6, 2006 23:36:14 GMT -5
Like you're saying Amira, Zuko does need to do something for himself. Something that proves he's not in fact a wuss. So what about him joining the Gaang? I'm sure Iroh won't be there, chanting at him to do it, cajoling him to believing it's the right thing to do. Nah, Zuko will probably make that decision on his own. And then yes, his problems will be added to the brew.
Then what? The problems are solved. They will probably get worse, but with all of them in one place now, they will be resolved. Plus, I think that the creators created Zuko's storyline to spice the show up more, but to also show us some detail about him before flinging him into the Gaang after he'd been chasing them so long. Because why not give him a role like Azula's if he wasn't going to end up with them? Well, that's what I think.
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Post by Yang Fishy on Nov 6, 2006 23:37:18 GMT -5
Lovely retort. And I agree. Zuko has had so much pain already, I think he deserves a break. He's only sixteen, and is packing on a lot of responsibility for someone now being the Avatar (I'm not implying he has as much responsibilities as Aang). I agree that he's not been able to help him self in many situations, but a friend, someone he could trust, someone he could relate to, would be really good for him at the stage he's at now. I know he's had Iroh along the way, who has been marvelous to him, but he might be ready for a change. Thank You! I also admired your response just now. It's true that Zuko does need to heal, and he needs to give himself hope at one point, but that's like asking a person whose undergoing trauma to go ahead and take advice from a "self-healing book 0.0! " Zuko, whose also undergoing a crisis needs to learn how to give himself hope in the darkest times first before diving in the deep end of the Angst pool. He has Iroh whose there to help him not hold his hand through thick and thin. If Zuko were ultimately a wuss, like some believe, he wouldn't have had the mind or the will to let Appa go, because in the end, it was up to Zuko and Zuko alone to make the ultimate decision. He could have taken Appa and let his uncle down but he didn't. I say cut the teenager some slack because one's teens years are the hardest. Anyone whose a teen or has been a teen can sympathize with him because we've all faced "the destiny" question. |
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Post by Amira on Nov 6, 2006 23:37:54 GMT -5
No I don't think a "kid" is going to decide for him, but I don't think Zuko will have any problem saddling the Gaang with his issues and I do think that his expectations of what will happen if he joins them will be unrealistic because Zuko has yet to learn to control his own actions and situations.
And I do think there are some underlying family issues that have not been resolved that will make him a hinderance to the Gaang.
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Post by Ardor on Nov 6, 2006 23:39:02 GMT -5
Zuko even said himself, "I’ve realized lately, that being on your own isn’t always the best path." He knows.
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Post by lunachaos on Nov 6, 2006 23:41:15 GMT -5
Zuko even said himself, "I’ve realized lately, that being on your own isn’t always the best path." He knows. Haha, well that you have it. Zuko knows it. The creators are trying to tell us something here. ;D |
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Post by Amira on Nov 6, 2006 23:42:17 GMT -5
Because right now, I think Zuko will be a burden not a help. He has issues with his mother's disappearance, his sister, what he wants to become, how he wants to approach things. I don't see him being an asset to the gaang's journey. At least not until he gets a hold of himself. I see him as being a drain on them and his burdens becoming theirs and they do not need that, nor do they need the internal conflicts that he will cause amoungst them.
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Post by rocio on Nov 6, 2006 23:43:07 GMT -5
I'm so going the word de-wussification when I get the chance. That being said, I agree. Zuko needs to learn stand on his own to two feet. Iroh, as much as I love him, often saves Zuko tail and I feel it will be the same way with the Gaang. Predictable to the average 7-year old viewer watching the show? Most definitely not. Not necessarily. My 7-year old sister thinks that Zuko may the join Gaang and she assumed this on her own. Something in wich is based the probability of audio-visual sciences is "effect corpus". The spectator is going to think what it is happening If it could predict it. If it could not predict it is not going to believe it, and there the creators will have failed in the development of the story. The spectator thinks what sees because already has before seen it in other texts. And with texts I talk about to others shows, books, film, plays, those things. The public is going to think that Zuko can join the gaang because already they have seen that before happen elsewhere. There are Zutarrians that thinks that Zutara will happen because they have seen relations thus before take shape in other texts. |
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Post by lunachaos on Nov 6, 2006 23:43:55 GMT -5
Lovely retort. And I agree. Zuko has had so much pain already, I think he deserves a break. He's only sixteen, and is packing on a lot of responsibility for someone now being the Avatar (I'm not implying he has as much responsibilities as Aang). I agree that he's not been able to help him self in many situations, but a friend, someone he could trust, someone he could relate to, would be really good for him at the stage he's at now. I know he's had Iroh along the way, who has been marvelous to him, but he might be ready for a change. Thank You! I also admired your response just now. It's true that Zuko does need to heal, and he needs to give himself hope at one point, but that's like asking a person whose undergoing trauma to go ahead and take advice from a "self-healing book 0.0! " Zuko, whose also undergoing a crisis needs to learn how to give himself hope in the darkest times first before diving in the deep end of the Angst pool. He has Iroh whose there to help him not hold his hand through thick and thin. If Zuko were ultimately a wuss, like some believe, he wouldn't have had the mind or the will to let Appa go, because in the end, it was up to Zuko and Zuko alone to make the ultimate decision. He could have taken Appa and let his uncle down but he didn't. I say cut the teenager some slack because one's teens years are the hardest. Anyone whose a teen or has been a teen can sympathize with him because we've all faced "the destiny" question. Ah, I love reading your respones, they're just on the money. But that's true- is someone controlling Zuko? Did Iroh or someone make Zuko save Aang as the Blue Spirit? What about when Zuko cut his hair, or finally disposed of the Blue Spirit identity? Sure, Iroh might have been there, but he wasn't the one who made the finaly decision. We've seen Zuko ignore his dear uncle many times. |
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Post by rocio on Nov 6, 2006 23:45:34 GMT -5
No I don't think a "kid" is going to decide for him, but I don't think Zuko will have any problem saddling the Gaang with his issues and I do think that his expectations of what will happen if he joins them will be unrealistic because Zuko has yet to learn to control his own actions and situations. And I do think there are some underlying family issues that have not been resolved that will make him a hinderance to the Gaang. Well.........Amira.......... That is what you want and other thing is what is going to happen ( thing that I do not know). And we will discuss this another time......When something more happen and both of us have more evidence............. ok?............ |
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Post by Consonant*** on Nov 6, 2006 23:45:47 GMT -5
I think Zuko is autistic...
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Post by Amira on Nov 6, 2006 23:46:35 GMT -5
Well it's been an...interesting...discussion. My opinion is my own and I've discussed it enough. Obviously, I am clearly in the minority and that is fine.
Good night.
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Post by lunachaos on Nov 6, 2006 23:48:11 GMT -5
Ah, it's done? Alright, I was having fun! lol But I admire how you stood firm against a few Zutarians with a lot to say ;D I think this was the end result of a few days of boredom... ;D
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