Post by Fire Lord Azula on Jun 18, 2007 23:09:23 GMT -5
Well, I'll give you two credit. You don't let up. You really do stand for what you believe in. I find it amazing that we, as Azula fans, have such drastically varying perceptions of her! You like her for totally different reasons than I do.
In a way, it was less mean to Ty Lee. Instead of telling her she had no choice, and she had to do it- she manipulated it so it seemed Ty Lee did have a choice, and wasn't being forced into it. fake yes, but she kept in mind that she didn't want Ty Lee to resent her for forcing her to do something.
Azula's smile and giddiness were clearly intended to be taken in the negative. She was enjoying herself at her "friend's" expense. Setting the net afire and calling for the release of dangerous animals to trample a fallen Ty Lee was fun to her! If what you say is the case, I would like to hear an explanation of Azula's atrocious behavior during the performance. Why did she act like that if she had to no ill-intent? To think that a true friend would even consider endangering someone she cares about and then have the gall to sit there and laugh about it... it's unfathomable and inexcusable to me!
After the performance, Azula showed up with flowers, praising her for a job well done and hinting at another show. By this time, Ty Lee had plenty of time to come to terms with what happened to her. She wasn't about to perform in front of Azula again -- to do so would likely cost her her life next time. Azula feigned surprise when Ty Lee announced her decision, but was seen smirking knowingly at the end.
Even before the drama borne of the performance, Ty Lee showed obvious discomfort at the idea of Azula attending the show. Her "longtime friend" -- yes? -- had expressed great interest in seeing her act; it was a chance to show how great of an acrobat she had become... why not be happy? Why would she react as if she'd be told something downright awful?
... I thought it was funny
It's not like Azula was trying to hurt her. Kids do stuff like that all the time. I was a brat when I was little, and I could be a real brat to my best friend, who I grew up with. but the thing is, you tend to be mean to the people you're most comfortable with. I know that sounds odd, but it's like... you always know they're going to be your friends, so you're not afraid to make a mistakes, or be a brat to them. You trust them. It just happens. They all hung out together, so obviously Azula being a brat was nothing new.
I see what you're saying.
Fortunately, most of us don't grow up with a kid like Azula for a friend. There's something wrong with her, and her first inclination was to act violently when she was outdone. Sure, it was a shove as opposed to a fire blast, but it could still be considered an act of physical aggression. That tendency to shove other children and manipulate them at will was a warning-sign that went unchecked. As a teenager, it's grown out of control.
Even when they were leaving Omashu and Ty Lee and Mai were talking, Azula wasn't joining in the convo. But she did make a comment at the end, about Zuko, which shows that she was listening.
Even the apathetic Mai acknowledges Ty Lee more than Azula. She talks to Ty Lee, at least. Azula occasionally inclines her head in Ty Lee's direction; that's not at all engaging. She's so detached. Not at all the actions of a true friend.
She made a comment because it was directly related to their objectives: pursuing and apprehending the Avatar, along with Zuko and Iroh. She had no interest in their prior discussion; she only chimed in when she was explaining their mission.
As for Zuko, there was one chair, and they had JUST conquered Ba Sing Se. He was standing right next to her, right next to the throne. She even stood up next to him and put her hand on his shoulder. She said "we" as in the both of them, had conquered the city.
She left it a choice for him to help her, and he chose to. If he thinks of her as the freakishly evil person, then why would he even consider siding with her.
They're free to make those comments, but notice her failure to respond to them. Like she doesn't care one way or the other. They're just "there" until she needs them.
I've recently come to the conclusion that perhaps Azula is telling the truth to a degree, and that her brother might make a nice advisor/bodyguard when -- in her mind, at least -- she becomes Fire Lord. While she addressed him on equal terms, it's doubtful she'd be willing to go the distance and share power with him. He'd be relegated to a right-hand man or of like status... as you mentioned, he stood beside her. An advisor or bodyguard to the lord of the Fire Nation would likely stand at his leader's side.
Zuko wants so badly to believe he's wanted back home. He's blinded by his desire for acceptance. He's willing to put aside any animosity toward his sister in the off-chance that this time, she's telling the truth. His ever-present hope has a way of covering his eyes to reality.
sorry!
It's okay. Answer the rest later, if you want!
msjimmy said:
I agree with Grandmaster here. She was happy because it was working. She did all that to get Ty Lee on her team. She knew Ty Lee could handle it and wouldn't get hurt. otherwise she wouldn't have done it. It doesn't make sense for her to do something she knows could hurt her, when she wants her on her team. In a way, it was less mean to Ty Lee. Instead of telling her she had no choice, and she had to do it- she manipulated it so it seemed Ty Lee did have a choice, and wasn't being forced into it. fake yes, but she kept in mind that she didn't want Ty Lee to resent her for forcing her to do something.
Azula's smile and giddiness were clearly intended to be taken in the negative. She was enjoying herself at her "friend's" expense. Setting the net afire and calling for the release of dangerous animals to trample a fallen Ty Lee was fun to her! If what you say is the case, I would like to hear an explanation of Azula's atrocious behavior during the performance. Why did she act like that if she had to no ill-intent? To think that a true friend would even consider endangering someone she cares about and then have the gall to sit there and laugh about it... it's unfathomable and inexcusable to me!
After the performance, Azula showed up with flowers, praising her for a job well done and hinting at another show. By this time, Ty Lee had plenty of time to come to terms with what happened to her. She wasn't about to perform in front of Azula again -- to do so would likely cost her her life next time. Azula feigned surprise when Ty Lee announced her decision, but was seen smirking knowingly at the end.
Even before the drama borne of the performance, Ty Lee showed obvious discomfort at the idea of Azula attending the show. Her "longtime friend" -- yes? -- had expressed great interest in seeing her act; it was a chance to show how great of an acrobat she had become... why not be happy? Why would she react as if she'd be told something downright awful?
msjimmy said:
It's not like Azula was trying to hurt her. Kids do stuff like that all the time. I was a brat when I was little, and I could be a real brat to my best friend, who I grew up with. but the thing is, you tend to be mean to the people you're most comfortable with. I know that sounds odd, but it's like... you always know they're going to be your friends, so you're not afraid to make a mistakes, or be a brat to them. You trust them. It just happens. They all hung out together, so obviously Azula being a brat was nothing new.
I see what you're saying.
Fortunately, most of us don't grow up with a kid like Azula for a friend. There's something wrong with her, and her first inclination was to act violently when she was outdone. Sure, it was a shove as opposed to a fire blast, but it could still be considered an act of physical aggression. That tendency to shove other children and manipulate them at will was a warning-sign that went unchecked. As a teenager, it's grown out of control.
msjimmy said:
She doesn't ignore them. Whenever Ty Lee makes a comment or something, you can see Azula turn her head in her direction, or make some type of sign that she is listening. Just because she doesn't acknowledge whatever Ty Lee says, doesn't mean she's not listening. Even when they were leaving Omashu and Ty Lee and Mai were talking, Azula wasn't joining in the convo. But she did make a comment at the end, about Zuko, which shows that she was listening.
Even the apathetic Mai acknowledges Ty Lee more than Azula. She talks to Ty Lee, at least. Azula occasionally inclines her head in Ty Lee's direction; that's not at all engaging. She's so detached. Not at all the actions of a true friend.
She made a comment because it was directly related to their objectives: pursuing and apprehending the Avatar, along with Zuko and Iroh. She had no interest in their prior discussion; she only chimed in when she was explaining their mission.
msjimmy said:
I think she treats them fine. They're always sitting by her side, and are free to make whatever comments they wish. Obviously they're comfortable with her, or they wouldn't do that. Like Ty Lee's "Poof" or Mai saying she thought that one guy was gonna pee his pants in CoD. No one else with Azula has the freedom to do those kinds of things and just make comments like that. Like friends do. As for Zuko, there was one chair, and they had JUST conquered Ba Sing Se. He was standing right next to her, right next to the throne. She even stood up next to him and put her hand on his shoulder. She said "we" as in the both of them, had conquered the city.
She left it a choice for him to help her, and he chose to. If he thinks of her as the freakishly evil person, then why would he even consider siding with her.
They're free to make those comments, but notice her failure to respond to them. Like she doesn't care one way or the other. They're just "there" until she needs them.
I've recently come to the conclusion that perhaps Azula is telling the truth to a degree, and that her brother might make a nice advisor/bodyguard when -- in her mind, at least -- she becomes Fire Lord. While she addressed him on equal terms, it's doubtful she'd be willing to go the distance and share power with him. He'd be relegated to a right-hand man or of like status... as you mentioned, he stood beside her. An advisor or bodyguard to the lord of the Fire Nation would likely stand at his leader's side.
Zuko wants so badly to believe he's wanted back home. He's blinded by his desire for acceptance. He's willing to put aside any animosity toward his sister in the off-chance that this time, she's telling the truth. His ever-present hope has a way of covering his eyes to reality.
msjimmy said:
I've got to go lol, so that's my response... to half of yourssorry!
It's okay. Answer the rest later, if you want!