Ardor
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Post by Ardor on Jan 22, 2006 23:24:22 GMT -5
Ardor that crown has been referred to as an antique from an old Earth Kingdom castle. Interestingly enough Sokka even refers to Katara as "Your Highness" and asks, "Who is this Aang you speak of?" In any case, there is no denying though that those instances could be evidence of possible foreshadowing. The elemental balance I think is by far the most compelling argument since the show revolves around the need to preserve the balance and what occurs if that balance is thrown off. I think Aang's match in earth may be provided by Jojo the earthbending bandit mentioned in the trading card game. I guess your right, about the crown. But I thought it looked alot like that Fire Temple door. If you see on the crown, it has 4 sun rays. On the door, it has 4 flames, which could also be interpreted as sun rays. Also the dragons on the crown; they reminded me of the fire nation (avatar roku and stuff). What really suprised me on wikipedia was this: Also the Moon represents Yin, the Sun represents Yang. It was so strange, because the whole season finale was basically about that.
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myris
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Post by myris on Jan 23, 2006 15:42:36 GMT -5
The whole yin ying thing with Zutara thing does make sense, but it makes it seem so obvious... ; I dunno, D: I will never cross over to the dark side! NEVAH!! I still wholeheartedly repsect you, Ardor. You've made some great points. No, that is not true about eastern dragons. They were based on the element of wood, which was also associated with air/wind. Humans, I think, kinda represented earth. I'm not sure about that, though, but I'm sure about dragons representings wood and air/wind.
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Post by jadeeyz on Jan 23, 2006 16:52:15 GMT -5
Erm, sorry to bust bubbles here....but I'm afraid that there is a fatal flaw in what you're trying to say. Contrary to what you said, Water/Fire, Air/Earth do NOT complement each other. I think you've confused the word "complement" with "opposite". "Complement" means "Either of two parts that complete the whole or mutually complete each other". In this case, that would be Earth/Water and Fire/Air. Earth and Water are both cold, but where Earth is dry, Water is wet. They belong on the same side of the square image Ardor posted. Therefore, they complete a whole. Ditto for Air and Fire, and Yin and Yang (Yin and Yang both have a bit of the other to complete a whole.) Water and Fire are direct opposites. And contrary to popular belief, in social relationships, OPPOSITES DON'T ATTRACT. (Really, they don't. I found an article that disproved the notion. I'll try to find it some other time when I'm less busy.) However, that doesn't mean those with water/fire relationships could NEVER be attracted to each other. I'm an unallied shipper (oxymoron, lol?), so please don't take anything I'm saying the wrong way. I'm merely playing the devil's advocate.
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Post by damunch on Jan 23, 2006 17:05:47 GMT -5
Don't worry, my "bubble" is quite safe an secure.
Earth and water would not complete each other, as hot is missing. Similarly fire and air are missing cold. You cannot create a whole with missing parts.
In this particular case compliment and opposite are interchangable as those elements on opposing sides of the diagram create a whole (thus compliment) with the sum of their parts. This is similar to the theory of complimentary colors, which are opposing colors on the color wheel which added together perfectly create black.
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Post by jadeeyz on Jan 23, 2006 17:09:09 GMT -5
Not necessarily so. Water and Earth complete each other in the sense that they make up one half of an entire whole. In order to have a complete whole, you would have to have all of the elements present. As we're basically debating about pairings, we're debating about a half of that whole, and that half must first make itself an entire half before it can contribute to the entire whole. Erm...did that make sense?
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Post by damunch on Jan 23, 2006 17:22:38 GMT -5
I'm debating elemental theory, not ships. But if you want to debate this in a relationship sense than okay.
The theory is not that all four elements are necessary to have balance, but all four atributes (hot, cold, wet, dry). If you're requiring that all four elements are necessary than either we're going to need some crossbred children getting together or a foursome.
With regards to the original point of the complimentary atributes, water and earth do not create one half of one whole. If anthing they create three-quarters of one whole as three of the four attributes are present as opposed to two. Each element represents half of the whole as each contains only two of four attributes. Therefore, the most "complete" or complimentary relationship that only involves two people would be one containing opposing elements and all four attributes.
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Ardor
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Post by Ardor on Jan 23, 2006 18:56:21 GMT -5
Color WheelA circular diagram in which primary and usually intermediate colors are arranged sequentially so that related colors are next to each other and complementary colors are opposite.dictionary.reference.com/search?q=color%20wheel
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Starlilica
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Post by Starlilica on Jan 23, 2006 20:15:07 GMT -5
That doesn't necessarily apply here. It's good thinking, but different charts are different for different things.
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MsJimmy
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Post by MsJimmy on Jan 23, 2006 21:56:45 GMT -5
wow....that whole half, three quarters thing....was so confusing. anyway, the yin and yang thing isnt too obvious because i dont think they really expected people to know what those meant. at least i didnt.
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Jan 23, 2006 23:12:19 GMT -5
Since when do opposites not attract? I can think of relationships from my own experience in which the two people are opposites but share a commonality enough to make a good pair. This is the case with Zuko and Katara. They both have similar characteristics in personality and experience but are nevertheless opposite. And did not Ardor mention that Yin and Yang represent the sun and moon? I do not think it is a coincidence that Zuko happened to just say that. Koh explained the attractive forces of the opposing elements. They make up the balance,following each other in an eternal dance yadda, yadda, yadda. If the balance is to be totally complete than air and earth, the two other opposing elements must be paired. Air in this case equals Aang in the show. Now all that is required is an earth kingdom female bender to pair him up with. Oh, look there is a new character going to be introduced who happens to be an Earthbending female....
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Post by goten0040 on Jan 23, 2006 23:14:56 GMT -5
Talk about detail. You've outdone yourself Ardor. Though their are some flaws (which've already been stated), they are incredibly good points, almost squeal-worthy on my Zutara-shipper half. ^~ It's got some good foreshadowing and some really good symbolism.
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Ardor
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Post by Ardor on Jan 23, 2006 23:42:41 GMT -5
Here's the full definition for Complement, just for the misunderstandings.
-Something that completes, makes up a whole, or brings to perfection. -The quantity or number needed to make up a whole: shelves with a full complement of books. -Either of two parts that complete the whole or mutually complete each other. -An angle related to another so that the sum of their measures is 90°. -Grammar. A word or words used after a verb to complete a predicate construction; for example, the phrase to eat ice cream in We like to eat ice cream. -Music. An interval that completes an octave when added to a given interval. -The full crew of officers and enlisted personnel required to run a ship. -Immunology. A complex system of proteins found in normal blood plasma that combines with antibodies to destroy pathogenic bacteria and other foreign cells. Also called alexin. -Mathematics & Logic. For a universal set, the set of all elements in the set that are not in a specified subset. -A complementary color.
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Jan 23, 2006 23:47:30 GMT -5
We can write a whole entire treatise on why Zutara is to exist just from your work, Ardor.
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Post by babbs on Jan 23, 2006 23:51:14 GMT -5
^ I agree... and maybe we should! I'm already compiling our foreshadow list in the ZukoxKatara thread.
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Youkai-Slayer
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Post by Youkai-Slayer on Jan 23, 2006 23:56:47 GMT -5
Lol the Zutarian Bible with gospels written by the DH forum Zutara shippers
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