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Post by theweasleyboys on Jul 31, 2007 11:17:06 GMT -5
I agree with Luthien and I still think there's something to Zuko's plotting face right before the big smoocheroo. I will accept the situation if it becomes something completely different, of course, but until that moment occurs, I'm allowed to speculate all I want. XD Right? :3 *hugs everyone*
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gambitia
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Post by gambitia on Jul 31, 2007 11:18:13 GMT -5
Gambitia - Rawles put things in a way that sets my teeth on edge. I've never seen another poster posit opinions and speculation as truth and fact so much ever before. But that's not the point of this post. Well, yeah, because you don't agree with her. Of course you don't like her. It's not so much just Baker's comment that killed Zutara. It's 2 seasons of Avatar plus the trailer that killed Zutara. Baker just summed it up, and put the final nail in the coffin. This guy knows how season 3 will end. He's not going to say "You know Zutara is not going to happen" if it was, in fact, going to happen. He wouldn't have said anything. He might have winked at her and said something coy. But he didn't. He flat-out stated that Zutara was not going to happen. He has done voicework on all the episodes, and presumably knows how every episode in the third season will go down. There's no reason for him to lie about this, and we know that he knows what will happen.
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Post by mindbender18 on Jul 31, 2007 11:24:50 GMT -5
I agree, Zutara was doomed before it even got started exactly, but like always, people are going to have to find this out the hard way (which is a shame because it doesn't have to be like that)
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Post by luthien on Jul 31, 2007 11:27:20 GMT -5
Whoa whoa whoa... hold on a sec. The reason I don't like the manner in which Rawles presents her opinions is not because I disagree with them. I'm old enough and mature enough not to stoop to that level. My dislike is the dismissal she has of those who don't agree with her. And seriously, there have been many, many occasions where she has presented her own personal speculation and analysis as truth, saying things will come to pass instead of that she *thinks* they will come to pass - and that's an important and critical difference. Don't get me wrong - Rawles is obviously intelligent, with an expansive vocabulary. She knows how to phrase her debates very well. But the part about that that I don't like is how she shoots down those who oppose her without ever giving an inch to admit that she just might, might be wrong. She's also very dismissive of those who don't agree with her, to the point of being condescending. And truthfully, even if I did agree with her opinion, I would not agree with her condescending attitude. I don't appreciate that in anyone. And frankly - and I hate to start something here, Gambitia - I am personally offended that you would dismiss my analysis of Rawles so blithely with an "oh you just don't agree with her, that's why you don't like her." I'm far more mature than that, and I truthfully feel disrespected.
And even if a Zuko and Katara romance is never fated for the show (which I will admit, is a high probability), it will never die in the fandom. No one should take that from us.
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Post by gambitia on Jul 31, 2007 11:38:02 GMT -5
I don't appreciate that in anyone. And frankly - and I hate to start something here, Gambitia - I am personally offended that you would dismiss my analysis of Rawles so blithely with an "oh you just don't agree with her, that's why you don't like her." I'm far more mature than that, and I truthfully feel disrespected. I thought you disagreed with her. My mistake. Apologies. I don't take rawles seriously (except in the cases where she obviously is being serious). I see her post as a humorous rant. It's all stuff I've been dying to say to everyone who's freaking out over the Maiko kiss, but won't. It's cathartic to see someone say it. I almost see it like political satire. You don't read/watch it to be informed or to form your opinions, you read it to make yourself feel better about the opinions you already have. And it isn't for everyone. No one's saying you don't have the fandom (and honestly, I don't think anyone could take the fandom away from Zutara). Heck, 98% of my ships occur in the fandom. There's nothing wrong with fandom-shipping, so long as people realize that there is a big difference between what is fanon and what is canon, and what you want to happen and what is going to happen.
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Post by luthien on Jul 31, 2007 11:46:21 GMT -5
Sorry again, gambitia - didn't mean to start a dust-up. I just wanted to explain why I felt the way I did. I really don't like to ruffle feathers, it's just sometimes I feel Rawles cuts people down too easily, and makes others feel stupid when they shouldn't. I know she speaks for a lot of people, but I just don't like the way she does it sometimes. I apologize. ETA: *Ahem!* Ok people, back to talking about our favorite ship and why we like it - no matter what its chances are in canon.
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Post by gambitia on Jul 31, 2007 11:49:38 GMT -5
It's not a problem. I wasn't fighting, sorry if I gave the impression I was. I was just expressing my side.
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Post by Ana on Jul 31, 2007 11:50:29 GMT -5
And even if a Zuko and Katara romance is never fated for the show (which I will admit, is a high probability), it will never die in the fandom. No one should take that from us. I don't think anyone is. Even Rawles, in her own way, doesn't want to see you guys be too emotionally infested in something that isn't going to happen. Zuko/Katara is the most popular Avatar pairing and I don’t think someone could take that from you guys if they tried. Also, I’ve seen a few post S3 Zutara art so I’m wondering if you guys have seen this (Sora-ko draws such pretty fanart). <3
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jul 31, 2007 12:03:55 GMT -5
Sora-ko is such an awesome person. I love her comments to both fandoms and she's right on target.
Zutara has been around for so long, even the show itself can't rip away the dearness we hold of it. Just picture it; even after the show is over, we'll be waving our flags and screaming "it's still possible!" Thus, we write fanfiction. XD
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Post by rocio on Jul 31, 2007 12:12:35 GMT -5
GUYS!!!
All of this is wonderful!!!
Is funny for me too see how some parings are so confident about them since the triller.....
And I just have to say; be careful... When they display something like that is about to fear, not to be happy.
In other thing; Zutara, just with two encounters, is more stronge than any other. In season 2, in the end, Zutara demostrated to be possible. That those two personages can be well, and be confident with each other, still, being enemies. That is what it has of awesome this paring.
So, season two, and its end, end up opening to many possibilities to Zutara.
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Post by Solvabibble on Jul 31, 2007 12:13:55 GMT -5
I said it once, & I'm going to say it again: Everyone has a right to their own beliefs, so regardless of whether or not Zutara happens, people should stop giving us grief about who we ship. I'm not going around, mocking other ships or saying that they have a snowball's chance in hades, am I? NO. I'd just appreciate if some other people would try to do the same. Seriously, if all you're going to do when you come in here is tell us our ship is never going to happen, you might as well not even post. We've heard it enough times already, thank you very much.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jul 31, 2007 12:16:51 GMT -5
I think after enduring Zuko's betrayal of Aang and Katara, it's safe to say that Zutara has repaired itself from every possible type of iceberg. *shot for lame Titanic analogy* But I agree, no one should get overzealous about something from a trailer. We're living proof of that. Of course, it's plenty ok to squeal and cheer and fangirl/fanboy and hoot and holler. @batgirl: Who are you talking to? xD
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Post by rocio on Jul 31, 2007 12:21:30 GMT -5
I know what Batgirl mean; everyone that enters here, come to say something mean to us, or to convince us, with nice words, that Zutara is over.
And always is ; "because the triller, because the girl" blablabla.
We already knows that to put your hopes in the triller is not good, as the experience demonstrated with other triller.
But I have to say guys; This the Zutara Crystal Catacombs!..And we talk about zutara here....
I have to go for some time guys,... see ya at night!!!
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Post by Solvabibble on Jul 31, 2007 12:26:09 GMT -5
I think after enduring Zuko's betrayal of Aang and Katara, it's safe to say that Zutara has repaired itself from every possible type of iceberg. *shot for lame Titanic analogy* But I agree, no one should get overzealous about something from a trailer. We're living proof of that. Of course, it's plenty ok to squeal and cheer and fangirl/fanboy and hoot and holler. @batgirl: Who are you talking to? xD To all those who continually come in here & post that "Ur ship iz dead 2 bad 4 j00!" crap XD Just trying to preserve justice, that's what Batgirl's supposed to do
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jul 31, 2007 12:26:33 GMT -5
How do you figure this, exactly? It's been a fanon ship from day 1. It's not doomed...
Not following. Not everyone likes the canon ships. People might remain hopeful in favor of their respective ships, but it doesn't mean it's a shame unless they act foolish about it...
Well, if you guys are talking about Gamb and Ana, I don't see any harm with them. They're just calmly debating with us about the future of Zutara. But if you're talking about the people who come in here and go "Zutara is teh suck" or whatever...then I understand.
Edit: Mk...I get your point. I just hadn't seen that in a while, so I was wondering.
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