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Post by Amira on Jun 10, 2007 18:54:34 GMT -5
I doubt Katara would have a "secret" relationship. That's the one thing I've never thought she would do because I think she knows that it would intentionally hurt those she loves and Katara's not like that.
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Post by rocio on Jun 10, 2007 21:34:56 GMT -5
Cutesy-poo fluff Zutara = bleh. Also Zuko running off the to the Gaang all remorseful and with his tail between his legs = bleh. Zuko standing on his own, being a man, and gradually gaining acceptance and atoning for his mistakes and Katara thinking he's not so bad = okay. And if it only happens at the expense of Aang's feelings and his heart, then I'll be disappointed. Aang's feelings would need to be addressed to my satisfaction (he is accepting, he is not broken-hearted, he is not deprived of happiness) before I could be fully okay with Zutara. yea....be all "be a man" with Zuko..... But I sadi: Aang.......... He need to act as a man sometimes..and not to hide after the apron of Katara!.......... And well..All relationship is a secret at the beggining........Because one never knows if all will be ok.....You know better the person. And when you know that is the time: you inform about it to the others.
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Post by mcdefenseless on Jun 10, 2007 21:40:46 GMT -5
I think what Amira meant was that Katara wasn't gonna keep it a complete secret that she doesn't hate Zuko, then up and run off with him and leave the others in the dust like in so many fanfics these days Don't be insulting Aang, now! He has a tremendous burden on his shoulders. He does act like a man, a lot more often than Zuko, who tends to run from his problems.
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Post by Amira on Jun 10, 2007 21:44:46 GMT -5
Aang does not hide behind Katara's apron strings. He's not some clingy little infant. He cares about her and she cares about him. She offers him her support which is beneficial to her, to him, to everyone.
A more accurate statement might be that Aang should not always rely so heavily on Katara's support. That doesn't turn Aang into some sort of infant.
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Post by rocio on Jun 10, 2007 21:45:54 GMT -5
Mike & Bryan would never do that. *Happy endings all around* Amira, I fully agree with you that Zuko should gradually gain Katara's respect. The only thing I'm worried about, though, is that with probably only one season left, how are they going to fit that in with so little time? *headdesk* Avatar is too great a show to end after just three seasons. The lucky thing that we have in favor is that is serie; each episode is Independent and single it follows the thesis basic of the story and it is not necessary to see all the previous episodes to understand the plot and what it happens. Therefore; it will be easier to solve what implies to the time; since within the time of the story, from an episode to the other usually they pass months. Except th last two episodes that are consecutive, since they happen within the same time of the story. @growly girl: (my bad side ********yeayea.always he weepingweeping) I didn't meant it in the last episode.....I meant it in general.................. I have to explain it better: Aang is a family-kid........... He loves to have friends and without meeting Katara and Sokka he never would have accpted to do the job of the vatar. Aang need the emotional push of other people for to do something; because is a pretty emotional and sencible boy (for to train, for to do his job as avatar). So, I mean; is time of to have our "Aang alone"! A chapter dedicated to Aang, were he learns and decide to do something at his own. (only for that chapter)....For to test himself as Avatar, as person, as kid.
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Post by Kunoichi24 on Jun 10, 2007 21:49:33 GMT -5
Well, hopefully, in season 3, Zuko will not run away so much! I would LOVE to see him run towards his problems head-on, and resolve them himself. And if his problems are too hard, he should get help! ^_^ This will make him stronger. BTW, I am referring to what MC said. I don't type quick.
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Post by Amira on Jun 10, 2007 21:50:04 GMT -5
I'd want to see an Aang centered episode, but not because he is some clingy child. But I don't think he needs to be separated from those he loves to prove (which he has done many times already) that he is a capable Avatar and capable of doing the right thing.
Zuko Alone provided a bit of a back-story on Zuko. And while I am not a Zuko fan, even I liked the episode.
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Post by Kunoichi24 on Jun 10, 2007 21:53:00 GMT -5
I'd want to see an Aang centered episode, but not because he is some clingy child. But I don't think he needs to be separated from those he loves to prove (which he has done many times already) that he is a capable Avatar and capable of doing the right thing. So are you saying that he should be alone to collect his thoughts (for like, a day)? Cuz i would like that too.
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Post by Amira on Jun 10, 2007 21:55:55 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I don't really think Aang needs an "alone" episode. Aang's learned that being alone really isn't the best thing and distancing yourself from others is painful for not only him but them as well. Aang's strong, determined, and fights in his own way. So while an Aang-centered episode would be nice (if done well) it's not necessary.
Zuko's episode served a purpose. I'm not sure if a similar one for Aang would be important.
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Post by rocio on Jun 10, 2007 22:02:30 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I don't really think Aang needs an "alone" episode. Aang's learned that being alone really isn't the best thing and distancing yourself from others is only painful for not only him but them as well. Aang's strong, determined, and fights in his own way. So while an Aang-centered episode would be nice (if done well) it's not necessary. Its painful, but sometimes, necesary.......... If one want to clean the mind, must take the time and the distance that is necesary. Maybe it could be more than a day.... You know how are the series, time runs pretty fast in one sigle episode. And the group is going to miss Aang, but when he went to train with the guru everybody found something to do. Maybe Aang will return with the guru........ .............m.............Im thinking that the groupo will take him WITH the guru (Appa knows where it is.......) and Aang must had said to them where it was. I said that because is the most safe place that I have in mind. And If Aang want to train again, the group would go with Hakoda.
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Post by mcdefenseless on Jun 10, 2007 22:10:53 GMT -5
So you actually believe that, had Katara and Sokka not been there, Aang wouldn't have accepted his Avatar duties? *headdesk* Of course they've given him plenty of support along the way, but he can think for himself and make his own decisions.
For instance: 1.8 - Aang was prepared to go to Roku's temple without his friends; 2.1 - Against Katara's advice, Aang decides to try Fong's plan; 2.11 - Aang looks for Appa while everyone else doesn't.
Aang can and does make his own decisions. Getting help from others isn't a character flaw. If anything, he's smart for not going about the whole thing by himself.
Like I said before, Zuko is the one that needs help with his decision-making. *thinks about CoD and shudders* At least Aang *mostly* takes the good advice offered to him by others.
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Post by Paraiba Ocean on Jun 10, 2007 22:31:01 GMT -5
I'd want to see an Aang centered episode, but not because he is some clingy child. But I don't think he needs to be separated from those he loves to prove (which he has done many times already) that he is a capable Avatar and capable of doing the right thing. So are you saying that he should be alone to collect his thoughts (for like, a day)? Cuz i would like that too. It doesn't have to be "Aang on his own in the big bad world," but I think if Aang took some time to collect his thoughts and address more of his past and his responsibilities as the Avatar, that would be cool. Perhaps it will help him make some critical decisions about who he is and how strong he needs to be. XP Perhaps let Aang face the facts that he can't always rely on support from his friends, but also himself, as there are many people who want him to fail and it's important that he does what's right to save the world, but also convince the world it's time to fight back. I don't know. I'm rambling.
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Post by rocio on Jun 10, 2007 22:38:48 GMT -5
So you actually believe that, had Katara and Sokka not been there, Aang wouldn't have accepted his Avatar duties? *headdesk* Of course they've given him plenty of support along the way, but he can think for himself and make his own decisions. For instance: 1.8 - Aang was prepared to go to Roku's temple without his friends; 2.1 - Against Katara's advice, Aang decides to try Fong's plan; 2.11 - Aang looks for Appa while everyone else doesn't. Aang can and does make his own decisions. Getting help from others isn't a character flaw. If anything, he's smart for not going about the whole thing by himself. Like I said before, Zuko is the one that needs help with his decision-making. *thinks about CoD and shudders* At least Aang *mostly* takes the good advice offered to him by others. If I recall the first episodes of the series Aang was more interested in play and all that that in to train or something. The Participation of sOKKA AND Katara HAS A NAME IN WHAT IS CALLED THE NARRATINE FUNCTION; they are the destinatarios. They are who makes the story. Wityhout them Aang would never have the sufficient Motivation to focus in its duties. Without them, Aang never would have focused its training, without them Aang never had waked up. They are the ones who make of Aang “do” and not remain in the “being”. They give movement in him. And as it says; the adressee (destinatrio) gains which the subject (Aang) obtains its objective. (the obtaining of the peace). As you mentioned, in all ypur examples; they make that Aang moves. It does't mean that they said to him what to do (only), also means that Aang do what he do because of the,m; because he want to pretect them, to fight with them o whatever.
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Post by mcdefenseless on Jun 10, 2007 23:20:46 GMT -5
So you actually believe that, had Katara and Sokka not been there, Aang wouldn't have accepted his Avatar duties? *headdesk* Of course they've given him plenty of support along the way, but he can think for himself and make his own decisions. For instance: 1.8 - Aang was prepared to go to Roku's temple without his friends; 2.1 - Against Katara's advice, Aang decides to try Fong's plan; 2.11 - Aang looks for Appa while everyone else doesn't. Aang can and does make his own decisions. Getting help from others isn't a character flaw. If anything, he's smart for not going about the whole thing by himself. Like I said before, Zuko is the one that needs help with his decision-making. *thinks about CoD and shudders* At least Aang *mostly* takes the good advice offered to him by others. If I recall the first episodes of the series Aang was more interested in play and all that that in to train or something. The Participation of sOKKA AND Katara HAS A NAME IN WHAT IS CALLED THE NARRATINE FUNCTION; they are the destinatarios. They are who makes the story. Wityhout them Aang would never have the sufficient Motivation to focus in its duties. Without them, Aang never would have focused its training, without them Aang never had waked up. They are the ones who make of Aang “do” and not remain in the “being”. They give movement in him. And as it says; the adressee (destinatrio) gains which the subject (Aang) obtains its objective. (the obtaining of the peace). As you mentioned, in all ypur examples; they make that Aang moves. It does't mean that they said to him what to do (only), also means that Aang do what he do because of the,m; because he want to pretect them, to fight with them o whatever. Aang didn't even know he had a deadline until Winter Solstice 2. Really, he couldn't have trained much in the first epis even if he had wanted to, due to Katara's limited skills. You're speaking in a very general sense. To me, it makes sense to have friends there for Aang when he needs them. He doesn't need to make every decision completely by himself; that's simply too much of a burden to put on any one person. As for his decisions being based on his friends, yes, that's true to an extent. But besides in "The Guru," name one instance where his decision to help his friends has conflicted with the "right" thing to do. His friends help him; why shouldn't he help them too? The Avatar is supposed to put others before himself. That's what he does with his friends. It's not a bad thing, it shows that he's doing his duties. When his friends are in trouble, he has two options: to help them or to walk away. What kind of Avatar would choose the second? Not a single one of my examples were caused by his friends.
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Post by tara22 on Jun 11, 2007 8:59:12 GMT -5
@ rocio - I think I know what you meant by this quote: "I have to explain it better: Aang is a family-kid........... He loves to have friends and without meeting Katara and Sokka he never would have accpted to do the job of the vatar."
In the beginning, Aang's main priorities were to ride the elephant koi and have some fun. Even at the north pole, he wasn't as into learning from Master Pakku as Katara was and instead had to learn form her. If it weren't for Katara and Sokka's gentle nudging towards his duties, Aang may not have met the people he has and saw how much the world needed the Avatar. Or at least not in time to learn about the comet. Aang has really matured through the experience of traveling and meeting people, which he may not have done had it not been for Katara and Sokka.
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