Yang Fishy
Wolf Hakoda
Firebending General of the Zutarian Army
all that rises must fall, all that is born must die, all that is gathered will be scattered
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Post by Yang Fishy on Apr 28, 2007 23:19:22 GMT -5
Hmmmm.........OK, what needs to happen for Toph and Aang to bond more other than fighting together and training? Simple: they just need to talk. It would be beneficial if Aang were to rely some of the happenings that occured in the COD, you know, like not mastering the Avatar State to Toph. Toph may become a little dissapointed in him but I doubt she'll blow it out of proportion. She could be a good advice giver at times. She may overwork him in Earthbending though. XD
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Post by lunauc on Apr 28, 2007 23:26:35 GMT -5
Toph may become a little dissapointed in him but I doubt she'll blow it out of proportion. She could be a good advice giver at times. She may overwork him in Earthbending though. XD Actually... ... she'd probably yell and scream at him. Maybe throw rocks at him(if he's not near death from the lightning bolt wound at the time). Being a child, and a hard headed, stern person, as she is, she would definitely act as a disciplinarian in the case, chastising him and telling him to "stop being a baby". It sounds cruel, but I'd prefer it to the soft handed, passive approach, which would make leave him wallowing in self-pity, and seeking comfort rather than fully realizing his fault and trying to learn from the mistake.
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Yang Fishy
Wolf Hakoda
Firebending General of the Zutarian Army
all that rises must fall, all that is born must die, all that is gathered will be scattered
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Post by Yang Fishy on Apr 28, 2007 23:41:53 GMT -5
It sounds cruel, but I'd prefer it to the soft handed, passive approach, which would make leave him wallowing in self-pity, and seeking comfort rather than fully realizing his fault and trying to learn from the mistake. Toph soft handed and passive? Never, lol. She may come off as sarcastic and rude knowing that Aang lied to her and just "blew" it again Nevertheless, she's going to work Aang's arrow off 10 fold if she finds out with Sokka and Katara being clueless as to why.
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Apr 29, 2007 12:27:02 GMT -5
Wouldn't be surprised if she did. Wouldn't be surprised if she didn't. There's a fanfic about how Toph is training Aang after Crossroads of Destiny on FFN. *goes and looks for it* And Lunauc, I have to learn those two vocab words for English. EDIT: www.fanfiction.net/s/3460948/1/ Unexpected by blindbandit (from FFN)
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Kana
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Post by Kana on Apr 29, 2007 13:04:54 GMT -5
Yeah, Toph isn't exactly soft handed, so I think Feng Shui is going in the right direction . . .
Lol, taiyo, I read chapter one of the fanfic. Tis funny.
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Dazu
FN Aang
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Post by Dazu on Apr 29, 2007 18:44:26 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm, in all honesty, I have no idea how she would react. Sure he lied and all that, but she does know how it feels when you have to give up someone(or thing) that you love. For her, just imagine she risked giving up Aang, Sokka, and Katara her only true friends when she was forbidden to go with them and when Xin Fu and Master Yu kidnapped her. Though she WOULD probably most likely be tough on him...
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Apr 29, 2007 18:47:43 GMT -5
Kana: Can't wait for Chapter 4 ^ *karmas* Thought provoking cuz I never looked at it like that. With Toph risking her friends and everything. Who knows, that could be something else Toph and Aang could relate to. Seems like in general everyone agrees that she definitely won't go soft on him that's for sure.
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Kana
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Post by Kana on Apr 30, 2007 18:03:53 GMT -5
I am confused, what are we talking about? The way Toph left her family?
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Dazu
FN Aang
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Post by Dazu on Apr 30, 2007 18:09:24 GMT -5
No, how Toph would be on him if she found out that Aang lied becuase he didn't want to give up Katara.
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Post by lunauc on Apr 30, 2007 18:15:51 GMT -5
I am confused, what are we talking about? The way Toph left her family? I think they were discussing how Toph would react to finding out about Aang lying to them about not completing his AS training. However, now something else comes to mind... If the worst happens in season 3 and Aang has lost the AS and perhaps even his ability to bend, figuratively killing the worlds last hope, and the gang finds out it was because of his crush on Katara that he ran off from the training, lied to them and put them all in danger, how do you thing the others would react?
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Post by taiyo *on limited hiatus* on Apr 30, 2007 18:23:47 GMT -5
If the worst happens in season 3 and Aang has lost the AS and perhaps even his ability to bend, figuratively killing the worlds last hope, and the gang finds out it was because of his crush on Katara that he ran off from the training, lied to them and put them all in danger, how do you thing the others would react? *karmas* *whistles* Oh boy. I definitely think they would be stone shocked. What they would do past that? Sokka would probably blow up on him. Toph might name him something. Katara....I dunno. She'd probably be crushed.
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Post by fireprincessgiorgi on Apr 30, 2007 19:39:00 GMT -5
Everyone would be really mad at him, even madder than they were in Bato of the Water Tribe. Seriously, though, Aang can't lose his bending because that would end the show, giving it a very unhappy ending.
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Post by lunauc on Apr 30, 2007 19:59:49 GMT -5
Everyone would be really mad at him, even madder than they were in Bato of the Water Tribe. Seriously, though, Aang can't lose his bending because that would end the show, giving it a very unhappy ending. Not necessarily. It is one way they could go, to have him lose his bending temporarily. Then he'd have to earn it back, probably through the chakra openings once more.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Apr 30, 2007 20:36:02 GMT -5
I don't know if they would take away his bending. They might just happily toss the Avatar State in the dumpster and never talk about it again, preferrng to sacrifice a huge plot element for the sake of this one little romance. That would irritate me some.
But then again, if they were seeking to have his happy, fairytail ending, why introduce the chakras in the first place? 8 minutes of drama for the season finale so they can get rid of one of their biggest driving plot devices? Why get rid of it at all? Why even introduce the concept that Aang had to get rid of it in the first place? It wasn't represented as a bad thing. It seemed more like a concept from which they could draw much, much more depth and content from than an idea that needed to be scraped, so why did they introduce the idea that it was either Katara and the Avatar State? They could have just as easily avoided that entire conundrum, given Aang his happy romance AND his most powerful tool.
So did they do this all to give the Aang/Katara romance much needed drama and conflict? Why is it at the expense of such an immense part of the plot? It would be like Zuko having to give up his bending for a girlfriend...is it to show his dedication to her? Is that it? If so, that's pretty irresponsible. Aang is so devoted, he puts the fate of the world at stake. Woo, how heroic. They could have easily enhanced the romance and maintain the Avatar State as a concept. They didn't HAVE to pit the two against one another. So why did they?
This is the line of reasoning that sparks that tiny thread of hope that it's a way to show Aang's dedication to the job he must do by requiring him to let go of the thing he wants most.
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Post by lunauc on Apr 30, 2007 22:08:41 GMT -5
I can't say you don't have really good points, Yice. You do know what you're talking about. But I still don't think the writer's will take such a complicated route, unfortunately. Let's face it. Their target demographic are American kids, who have grown up watching fairy tale programs, and are predisposed to happy ending. The Hero getting the girl of his dreams has also become a main ingredient in that happy ending. So, if they want to keep their audience, they will stick to the time tested, and less artistically fulfilling, path. Though I may be underestimating the creators, I have to admit, this is the way I see it going. Even so, you still might be right to a degree. He may be forced to make the choice in the end, and perhaps let her go. But, like with the end of the Fortune Teller, there may be an added seed of hope. Like the Guru, patting him on the shoulder as he stares off to Katara, assuring him all hope for love is not lost. Or the more disney approach, where he proves the Guru wrong, by becoming the most powerful Avatar of all through the power of "Pure Love". Of course, either way is just nonsensical fan service. Yet, I'm afraid that with the reward seeking audience, the writers will put it in either way.
Though I have to also agree that the whole choice thing was probably more of a plot device to make their "love story" seem more dramatic and epic. They are one of those fandom couples that not as interesting as the things that are go on around them. If there weren't prophecies, near death experiences, and conventient cave-ins, they'd be even more boring than they are. It is the circumstances which progress their story, and the circumstances which push them closer together. In that way, their ship really reminds me of Cyclops and Jean Grey. Not sure who here read(s) comic books, specifically X-men, but they always bored the hell out of me. There was nothing entertaining about their actual romance. It was always some outside circumstance that made their relationship "dramatic" and "courageous". If they weren't getting, kidnapped, cloned, killed, having their children kidnapped or visiting them from the future, and mind you their children were always the strongest mutants in the world, there was just nothing worthwhile about them. The circumstances made the relationship, while the people themselves took a backseat to it all. This show can be considered relatively.
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