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Post by Revitalize Book on Aug 24, 2006 23:10:26 GMT -5
Like Soko drugs. ;D That's a good reason too: the threads not negative and everything....=D The Soko crack called Soko love. ;D
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Post by whimsicalheart on Aug 24, 2006 23:41:37 GMT -5
To To sapphirestar: Ah... You have read Forget Me Nots... ^^; I really need to update that. (I will! Promise!) But thank you! (It was funny? yay! I was going for that!) And yes I was writing "Strands of Fate." But ran into writer's block and evil plot bunnies that just cause me confusion. lol.
"* The struggles the fandom has had just to be stable. Awesom members have really kept it going, despite 'Sue' comments, 'Song: A Death Target' opinions and other trash. Sokos kept itself alive and still remained reasonable. That's amazing. The fandom has had one, if not the, hardest struggle to get established in the community."
I never understood the Mary Sue thing. The girl cannot bend nor is she some super powerful warrior.(I assume.) She is just sort of the girl next door type. Sweet, kind, and super super cute! Jeez. If they are going to use this argument shouldn't they think about it... Katara could also be seen as a Mary Sue. She is pretty, guys seem to like her very much, she a powerful bender.... Etc. (And Spunky! I love Katara don't get me wrong!) Not to mention this a fanfiction term and has nothing to do with the show
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Post by inuyatta on Aug 24, 2006 23:42:18 GMT -5
Welcome Kristina.! Always nice to see more Sokoites, and your analogy is beautiful And inuyatta...your fanart gives me plotbunnies. Very cute...there's a story behind this one. Thanks for the compliments, everyone. It's funny--this picture was inspired by that fic that was up briefly and then taken down--that dark SoKo one...gah, it was only up for a few days at most. Threads of Fate, I think? Edit: fackity--I should have read the entire thread first. LOL. Kristina--this fanart was partially inspired by 'Strands of Fate'! You can tell where I deviated from the story, because my memory is poor. But I tried. I'm surprised I got away with ruining Song's pretty dress and scratching her up a bit. Thanks again, everyone!
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Post by almighty on Aug 24, 2006 23:51:32 GMT -5
New War Room? And I wasn't here to celebrate? ... XD Welcome all new Sokoites! Kristina: Exactly! I've been trying to say that to everyone who uses that argument but somehow it doesn't get processed. >< Anyway, I have to leave again. See you in a while!
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Post by inuyatta on Aug 25, 2006 0:02:08 GMT -5
Nooo, come back~! Kristina: There is a such thing as canon-sues. However, Song is not one of them. I swear some people just hate her because she's got the best relationship with Zuko out of all the girls on the show thus far. Sorta like how Ginny got massive hate when she and Harry were made canon in Book 6 of the HP series. And Cho, in books 3 and 4 when Harry merely had a crush on her. Hell, even Katara is getting some hate now because she apparently can't evolve as a character without being called a sue.
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Post by Revitalize Book on Aug 25, 2006 0:02:42 GMT -5
OH MY GOSH ALMIGHTY!! *Cries and hugs* Good to see you!! Uwaaah! Ze New War Room! ;D Many things have happened (yes, many things). XD
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Post by whimsicalheart on Aug 25, 2006 0:45:17 GMT -5
Welcome Kristina.! Always nice to see more Sokoites, and your analogy is beautiful And inuyatta...your fanart gives me plotbunnies. Very cute...there's a story behind this one. Thanks for the compliments, everyone. It's funny--this picture was inspired by that fic that was up briefly and then taken down--that dark SoKo one...gah, it was only up for a few days at most. Threads of Fate, I think? Edit: fackity--I should have read the entire thread first. LOL. Kristina--this fanart was partially inspired by 'Strands of Fate'! You can tell where I deviated from the story, because my memory is poor. But I tried. I'm surprised I got away with ruining Song's pretty dress and scratching her up a bit. Thanks again, everyone! Holy Moo Cows! My fanfiction was a source of inspiration for you... AH! That is an honor! (By the way! I think it was very good! I cannot draw to save my life.) But when I was looking at it today I was like something is very familiar about this in a way.... haha. Now I know why!! Oh and you have help to create new life for the fanfic!! *cries* Thank you!!!(I had writer's block.) Oh and in the fanfiction Song was bleeding from a cut on her side.. (Though she had on the wrong color dress in my stupid story because I am stupid too.) Nooo, come back~! Kristina: There is a such thing as canon-sues. However, Song is not one of them. I swear some people just hate her because she's got the best relationship with Zuko out of all the girls on the show thus far. Sorta like how Ginny got massive hate when she and Harry were made canon in Book 6 of the HP series. And Cho, in books 3 and 4 when Harry merely had a crush on her. Hell, even Katara is getting some hate now because she apparently can't evolve as a character without being called a sue. Oh wow really? I didn't know about canon-sues... I have been out of the world of fanfiction/forums for over two years.... My terminology is old! ^_^; I'll never understand why people would hate Song... And what do people have against character development... Katara is one of best girls in the show in my opinion.(Which does not mean much...) I kinda think it would be cool if Song was a bender... oohhh... Stupid stories idea... *Beats them back*
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Post by sapphirestar on Aug 25, 2006 1:16:39 GMT -5
To To sapphirestar: Ah... You have read Forget Me Nots... ^^; I really need to update that. (I will! Promise!) But thank you! (It was funny? yay! I was going for that!) And yes I was writing "Strands of Fate." But ran into writer's block and evil plot bunnies that just cause me confusion. lol. Yes, I love "Forget Me Nots" and it's very original in my opinion because of Song giving Zuko the journal...so cute. Take your time in updating, no rush. I laughed out loud in "That He Was" when Song's friend Min made the children comment, hehe. ;D You should continue with "Strands of Fate" (if you want) because it really had great potential! I read that Inuyatta's fanart that was inspired by "Strands of Fate" has maybe helped stop your writer's block with the story?...yay! "* The struggles the fandom has had just to be stable. Awesom members have really kept it going, despite 'Sue' comments, 'Song: A Death Target' opinions and other trash. Sokos kept itself alive and still remained reasonable. That's amazing. The fandom has had one, if not the, hardest struggle to get established in the community."I never understood the Mary Sue thing. The girl cannot bend nor is she some super powerful warrior.(I assume.) She is just sort of the girl next door type. Sweet, kind, and super super cute! Jeez. If they are going to use this argument shouldn't they think about it... Katara could also be seen as a Mary Sue. She is pretty, guys seem to like her very much, she a powerful bender.... Etc. (And Spunky! I love Katara don't get me wrong!) Not to mention this a fanfiction term and has nothing to do with the show Yeah, I never understood the Mary Sue thing either. I mean, Song's definitely pretty, but she's not drop-dead gorgeous and she doesn't have super amazing powers. And yeah, she's had a sad and dark past, but hasn't just about everyone on the show had a hard past? I guess it's like what Inuyatta said about people just hating her because she gets along best with Zuko so far.
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Post by inuyatta on Aug 25, 2006 1:19:48 GMT -5
LOL, you're so welcome. Just write more chapters and I will try to keep churning out images. I haven't felt this kind of inspiration since Kikaider. XD As for the Sue issue, I still say Song is probably getting the hate because she stands a good chance of ending up with everyone's favorite emo-royalty. Everyone knows that the Fighter/Healer dynamic works well, look at the FF series. And they fear it because now Zuko has encountered a healer that he didn't try to set on fire. And apparently, if Katara does nothing except get better in the second season, after maturing from some of her flaws in season one, she is now reduced to a canon sue and needs to be killed off. Or start a fight--and NOT apologize for it. Don't feel too bad about not knowing the term canon-sues--I don't believe it was invented until some years ago with a more recent series of Star Trek.
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Post by sapphirestar on Aug 25, 2006 1:33:15 GMT -5
And apparently, if Katara does nothing except get better in the second season, after maturing from some of her flaws in season one, she is now reduced to a canon sue and needs to be killed off. Or start a fight--and NOT apologize for it. Haha, yes, start a fight and not apologize. It's sad that Katara's disliked in Season 2 by so many just because she happens to be growing and getting some character development. I mean, she's always had the ability to be a great waterbender; she was born with it and she finally came into it at the end of the first season. She's still caring and motherly like always, she's just more confident and she's maturing, which is a good thing and I hope she continues to grow, as should all the characters. Anyway, back to Soko....
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Post by inuyatta on Aug 25, 2006 1:40:30 GMT -5
One last thing on the Katara note--her becoming a master waterbender is not that unexpected, given the usual span between episodes (in their 'verse) is several weeks or so. Katara's always been a waterbender, and she was always excited to learn more about it and practice. What did people expect her to be doing all those weeks while traveling? Sheesh... As for Soko--I have the another sketch finished and will scan it soon. XD It's not nearly as dramatic as this last one, but I kinda like it. Kristina mentioned how cool it would be if Song were a bender--but I actually like her as she is. She is a healer first and foremost, and it certainly doesn't make her any less awesome. Seriously, all the girls have their specialties. Katara, Toph and Azula with their bending, Mai with the ninja skillz, and Ty Lee with her narutoverse-like jyuuken, Suki with her warrior-ness, Yue with her goddess/moon spirit status, and Song as the healer. For those who think being a healer is a sign of weakness, lemme just say something. Healers actually have the potential to be the most lethal of all. It's them choosing not to use their talent for harm that makes them Healers. ;D I'm a masseuse, I know. After all, if they spend several months teaching me how to make a person feel better, they're also going to tell me what to avoid messing with to do the opposite. Never underestimate the person saving your life and limbs.
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Post by Revitalize Book on Aug 25, 2006 1:40:48 GMT -5
Katara: So I hear you're a Sue by the majority of the fandom? Song: *Nods sadly* Katara: I understand. I've gone through the same thing. Toph: Oh yeah? At least no one wants you to die. Song: *Shows Toph Song: A Death Target thread* Toph: Ouch. The females and males (besides Zuko) just can't win. >< I love Toph, Katara, and Song. The lack of respect for them by many members is pretty sad. Songs going to probably get fleshed out a bit more, then get some development. But for me, she seems like she's at a place where she doesn't require as much development as others- or it's subtle. Which is refreshining; she was/is at a point other characters are trying to reach. I wish she'd get more respect; there's so much to her character...>< EDIT: inuyatta: Oo!
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Post by inuyatta on Aug 25, 2006 1:47:24 GMT -5
You're right--whereas everyone else has to be in your face, Song can develop with such subtle actions and words. I like that about her. ^^
Also, where is this thread with Song as the death target? Srsly--it exists?
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Post by sapphirestar on Aug 25, 2006 2:07:41 GMT -5
I love Toph, Katara, and Song. The lack of respect for them by many members is pretty sad. Songs going to probably get fleshed out a bit more, then get some development. But for me, she seems like she's at a place where she doesn't require as much development as others- or it's subtle. Which is refreshining; she was/is at a point other characters are trying to reach. I wish she'd get more respect; there's so much to her character...>< I agree, it is sad. And I agree with you on Song being at a place where she doesn't need as much development as the others. To me, she already knows who she is and what she stands for and has found peace and hope in the midst of adversity, which is why she was a foil for Zuko. I hope she'll get more respect. inuyatta: I can't wait for this next installment of your amazing fanart!! ;D Also, I agree with you on Song being perfectly awesome-ly fine as a healer. I like her just the way she is. It suits her well. She's able to heal physical wounds as well as emotional wounds...especially those of a certain prince (who can't seem to wrap his brain around this concept and keeps denying it).
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Post by Revitalize Book on Aug 25, 2006 2:18:44 GMT -5
Also, where is this thread with Song as the death target? Srsly--it exists? It does. v.v Check the laaaaaaast page in the Relationship section. 'Tis so brutal. inuyatta: He won't deny it for lo-o-ong...XD *Winks at creators*
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