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Post by icefire108 on May 16, 2006 21:05:07 GMT -5
This just occurred to me... sorry if this has been brought up before, but Zuko's mom kind of looks like the girl that Koh turned into and said, "Oh, it was something about stealing the face of someone you loved..." Or am I just tired? Oh man I said the same thing when I watched this episode for the first time. I totally think she looks like her. It can't be her though because Koh said that is was the face of someone that the past avatar loved.
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Post by Chaobunny on May 17, 2006 18:25:15 GMT -5
I don't understand how her running away would save Zuko though. It doesn't make any sense...
That couldn't be Ursa, the face was stolen several hundred years before in a past Avatars life.
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Post by kadaj on May 18, 2006 7:09:00 GMT -5
I agree. From Zuko's expression at the end, and what she said, I have a funny feeling she died to save Zuko. "Everything I've done has been to protect you." Maybe that was her way of telling Zuko that this was the last thing she was doing for him. She wanted her words to sink in because it was probably the last thing she would say to him. If she was banished and/or run away, Zuko would have at least tried to find out where she was, wouldn't he? So that's my theory. I really don't get the feeling she would of killed herself after killing Azulon. Personally I think she fled. But even if his mother was still alive, Ozai would of told Zuko that she had died, and probably of a natural death. Because anything differentiating would seem very suspicious. I dunno.. I just really think that she killed Azulon and fled. "Everything I've done has been to protect you" gives me that feeling. Sort of a "I've done something bad to protect you, and now I must leave".
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Post by icefire108 on May 18, 2006 9:50:17 GMT -5
I agree. From Zuko's expression at the end, and what she said, I have a funny feeling she died to save Zuko. "Everything I've done has been to protect you." Maybe that was her way of telling Zuko that this was the last thing she was doing for him. She wanted her words to sink in because it was probably the last thing she would say to him. If she was banished and/or run away, Zuko would have at least tried to find out where she was, wouldn't he? So that's my theory. I really don't get the feeling she would of killed herself after killing Azulon. Personally I think she fled. But even if his mother was still alive, Ozai would of told Zuko that she had died, and probably of a natural death. Because anything differentiating would seem very suspicious. I dunno.. I just really think that she killed Azulon and fled. "Everything I've done has been to protect you" gives me that feeling. Sort of a "I've done something bad to protect you, and now I must leave". See I really don't think she killed Azulon. I think Ozai did. Azulon said that Ozai had to sacrifice his son. I think Ursa stepped in and took the place of Zuko. After losing Ursa I think Ozai killed Azulon. When Ursa came to Zuko in his room I don't think it was her. I think it was her spirit coming to him
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Post by Sora on May 18, 2006 12:43:01 GMT -5
I really don't get the feeling she would of killed herself after killing Azulon. Personally I think she fled. But even if his mother was still alive, Ozai would of told Zuko that she had died, and probably of a natural death. Because anything differentiating would seem very suspicious. I dunno.. I just really think that she killed Azulon and fled. "Everything I've done has been to protect you" gives me that feeling. Sort of a "I've done something bad to protect you, and now I must leave". See I really don't think she killed Azulon. I think Ozai did. Azulon said that Ozai had to sacrifice his son. I think Ursa stepped in and took the place of Zuko. After losing Ursa I think Ozai killed Azulon. When Ursa came to Zuko in his room I don't think it was her. I think it was her spirit coming to him I agree with both of you... but there are some differences in what i think.. I don't think Koh stole Ursa's face, the eyes are different... but I also noticed that Aangs eyes changed colors several times throughout the first season. Weird?? I personally think Ozai killed Azulan because he (azulan) didn't want to take the title away from Iroh because he thought he suffered enough. I also think that Ursa died because Ozai felt she was too close to Zuko, and he heard from Azula, his favorite, about Ursa having a little "talk"with her. It's either that or Ursa died in place of Zuko, and Ozai was raged about it.... That's just what i think everyone has their own opinions ^_^
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Post by Lightning416 on May 18, 2006 14:41:23 GMT -5
I agree with strangepigtails. Koh said that an AVATAR tried to kill him because he stole the face of someone the AVATAR loved.
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Post by kyoshi1224 on May 18, 2006 18:42:01 GMT -5
ya,it't can't be Zuko's mom,and besides it HAD to happen a Long time ago! but i really don't kno what hapened to Zuko's mom, she def either ran away or died,that's all ik!
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Post by Chaobunny on May 18, 2006 18:50:53 GMT -5
I'm also in agreement that Ozai killed Azulon...because it's funny, all in one night Azulon dies and "changes his mind" about his successor. Hmm...
And thats an interesting thought about Zuko's mother's spirit. I never even thought of that. But, wouldn't a spirit be more noticible as a spirit? xD Like translucent.....idk... *bricked.*
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Post by Lucy on May 18, 2006 19:17:26 GMT -5
I agree. From Zuko's expression at the end, and what she said, I have a funny feeling she died to save Zuko. "Everything I've done has been to protect you." Maybe that was her way of telling Zuko that this was the last thing she was doing for him. She wanted her words to sink in because it was probably the last thing she would say to him. If she was banished and/or run away, Zuko would have at least tried to find out where she was, wouldn't he? So that's my theory. I really don't get the feeling she would of killed herself after killing Azulon. Personally I think she fled. But even if his mother was still alive, Ozai would of told Zuko that she had died, and probably of a natural death. Because anything differentiating would seem very suspicious. I dunno.. I just really think that she killed Azulon and fled. "Everything I've done has been to protect you" gives me that feeling. Sort of a "I've done something bad to protect you, and now I must leave". I think she witnessed Azulon being killed and Ozai threatened her so she ran away...but that's just me. (Sorry if that's been mentioned before)
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Post by waterbendergrl06 on May 20, 2006 18:51:10 GMT -5
sorry to copy my friends theory but here's what she thought. I think that Ozai was going to kill Azulon and she knew it and somehow tried to stop him but was killed herself. So there you have it! Wait, I just thought of something. What if she heard and knew that they were like going to kill Zuko in his sleep or something and then went to them and said to take her instead of him. That would have been so sweet. A life for a life. Oh now that reminded me of Man on Fire. Waaaaaaaaah!
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Post by silverdreams on May 21, 2006 0:44:30 GMT -5
uhm the womn Koh Stole was someone The Avatar loved in a past life, ALONG time ago, it couldnt possibly have been Ursa... umm, i really doubt ther the same person, why? That face was the face of someone the avatar loved in a past life. So i doubt its ursa.
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Post by Chaobunny on May 21, 2006 13:23:37 GMT -5
sorry to copy my friends theory but here's what she thought. I think that Ozai was going to kill Azulon and she knew it and somehow tried to stop him but was killed herself. So there you have it! Wait, I just thought of something. What if she heard and knew that they were like going to kill Zuko in his sleep or something and then went to them and said to take her instead of him. That would have been so sweet. A life for a life. Oh now that reminded me of Man on Fire. Waaaaaaaaah! I agree; I think she offered herself in Zuko's place because of the "everything ive done has been to protect you" part.
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Post by MsJimmy on May 21, 2006 13:35:19 GMT -5
First, I don't think that is her because, like everyone else said, it was a long time ago.
Second, I don't think she is dead. I think she might have done something to cause the firelord's death (call me crazy) Really though, it seemed like it was in the middle of the night when she woke Zuko up and she seemed rushed. When people say "Just remember, everything I have done has been to protect you" is usually when they have done something bad for the greater good and don't want the person to think of them in a bad light. Another reason I think this is, she was wearing a cloak type thing, and when she was talking to Zuko, she heard footsteps in the hall and then she put on her hood and left. Seems to me like she didn't want to get caught. Then the firelord dies that night and the mom disappears.... I don't think she is dead, I think she ran away after doing something to stop the sentence that was ordered for Zuko.
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Post by valentine on May 22, 2006 19:35:41 GMT -5
I LOVE ZUKO'S MOM. She has to be my favorite character that has been on the show so far. When no one else was nice/cared for Zuko she was there. But then she leaves him and says it was to protect him...which in a way doesn't make sense (because it hurt him) If his mom was still there I bet that he would never had been banished and his life would have been better
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Post by fullmetalavatar on Oct 15, 2006 2:14:27 GMT -5
I don't think Ursa is as innocent and sweet as we'd like to think...maybe I'm reading into it, but I saw Zuko Alone again, and when reading Iroh's letter from the front, she has an Azula-esque grin when Iroh says they can visit Ba Sing Sei if the FN army doesn't torch it...there's also the foreshadowing with the turtle ducks and Ursa constantly insisting that Azulon was the picture of health...Azulon went Hammurabi on Ozai and demanded the life of his first born as punishment for his callousness toward Lu Ten's death, Ursa, being the strong firebending lady that she is (she must have gone to the Fire Nation Academy for Girls, too ;D) killed Azulon before he could kill Zuko, then she had to flee, and Ozai had one more reason to hate Zuko -- he lost his father and his wife because of the boy...the point of all the theorizing and rambling? I think Ursa a lot tougher than we're giving her credit for...after all she put up with Ozai for at least 10 years...
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