reyairia
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Post by reyairia on Aug 18, 2007 7:32:57 GMT -5
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Maylene
Avatar Roku
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Post by Maylene on Aug 18, 2007 15:08:25 GMT -5
^ sorry it's been confirmed it was fake. I think.
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Post by grandmaster192 on Sept 11, 2007 1:33:09 GMT -5
After reading "The Awakining" reveiw, what do you guys/girls think we will see from Azula?With her thinking the Avatar is dead, what will be her next move? Personaly, I think she's going to be nerfed in favor of other characters.
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Sept 11, 2007 2:56:23 GMT -5
Nerfed as in taking a side role behind Ozai?
I hope not. She might not do a whole lot for the first half of the season...they've apparently won and all. But after the eclipse things should be busy.
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Post by grandmaster192 on Sept 11, 2007 3:21:36 GMT -5
Nerfed as in taking a side role behind Ozai? Yes, I do think Ozai will overshadow her a bit, but I was talking about her being nerfed in a different way. I think she's going to be toned down some, and at times used a measuring stick to show off some of the main characters/new characters skill. I don't think she's going to be the same powerhouse she was in season 2. I hope not. She might not do a whole lot for the first half of the season...they've apparently won and all. But after the eclipse things should be busy. I don't really mind her not being the main villain, since I don't really consider her a great villain in the first place. I'm just hoping she can still be her normal self, and at the same time get some character development. I hope she's not just a washed up villain who has already served her purpose.
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Maylene
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Post by Maylene on Sept 11, 2007 9:41:18 GMT -5
^ Me too. I want more character development, but after reading the spoilers I think those development may not be for the better... Why is she giving Zuko 100% credit for killing the Avatar? Either to be really sweet and say, hey you deserve a break; or so she doesn't get her butt kicked when she realizes she didn't finish the job--and it's mostly likely the latter. Oh and I don't want her to die either...but something tells me that's likely.
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Melis
Long Feng
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Post by Melis on Sept 11, 2007 15:11:00 GMT -5
She's giving Zuko the credit so that if Aang's alive, then it won't be her fault, it'll be his. The girl is a clever one, that she is. Before I say anything on this, what do you mean by that you don't consider her a "great" villain?
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yiceman
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Post by yiceman on Sept 11, 2007 15:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah...she's the single best villain on the show. O.o
And there's no way she's doing it to be nice to Zuko.
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Maylene
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Post by Maylene on Sept 11, 2007 17:23:34 GMT -5
^ Yeah on both terms. Besides she looked kinda mean toward him, in that pond picture.
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Post by grandmaster192 on Sept 11, 2007 17:54:22 GMT -5
^ Me too. I want more character development, but after reading the spoilers I think those development may not be for the better... Oh and I don't want her to die either...but something tells me that's likely. I don't really care if she's nice or not. As long as she gets some character development, I'll be happy. I don't know... The spoilers make me think Azula is pretty much washed up. I still don't think she's going to die. At this point it would just be killing her off. The guy who did the review didn't reallly have the best grammer in the world, so I'm hoping that he didn't really know what he was talking. I think when we see the episode, we will get a better look on what to expect from Azula. I mean I don't think of her as a great vilain. Being a talanted bender isn't enough to be considered a great villain. Right now Azula has no back story, no deph and no motived. Someone like that can't be considered a great villain. When she fights against Aang, the main protagonist, there's nothing to their fights. It's just another Fire Bender vs the Avatar. You could replace Azula with a Fire Bending robot and nothing would change. That's not a great villain. Great villains are suspose to have epic fights. That's not really saying much, considering that Azula was the only major villain in season 2. Avatar: The Last Air Bender doesn't have a great villain. Being cool and kicking Equus asinus isn't enough to be considered a great villain.
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Melis
Long Feng
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Post by Melis on Sept 11, 2007 18:30:21 GMT -5
But, she does have back story. We've seen her when she was a little girl in Zuko's flashbacks and even back then she was the same as we see her now. I consider Azula to be a great villain, and I consider her one of the greatest villains on TV out there. I believe she does have motives, although they're questionable. You don't need to have some incredible back story or some depth or motivation to be a great villain, IMO. She's sly, she's cunning, she's smart and knows how to get what she wants (i.e manipulation). She's a clever, awesome, brilliant and great villain.
And dude, in every battle she's been in, they've all been awesome. "The Chase" with her vs Aang and Zuko, "Appa's Lost Days" with her and the dangerous ladies vs Suki and her pals, and in "The Crossroads of Destiny" where she took out the Avatar from behind with lightning. She defeated the Avatar, conquered Ba Sing Se, and made believe the LF was using her when in fact, she used him. That, and she has power over the Dai Lee.
You know you're bad*ss when a group of grown men are scared sh*tless of you.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Sept 11, 2007 18:54:27 GMT -5
I don't know... The spoilers make me think Azula is pretty much washed up. The spoilers point to Azula remaining her ever-scheming self. Hardly "washed up". I know there's this tendency to compare her to Ozai -- whom we know nothing about, and he himself may "fail" in the epic-villain department because of a backstory yet untold -- but consider what we know of her. She's the same character she was in Season Two; nothing's changed. She'll have her role, and, egocentric as she is, she'll make certain her presence is known by all. I mean I don't think of her as a great vilain. Being a talanted bender isn't enough to be considered a great villain. Right now Azula has no back story, no deph and no motived. Someone like that can't be considered a great villain. Once again invoking the spoilers, Azula schemes against Zuko in what appears to be a neverending cycle, ensuring his inevitable undoing in the eyes of their father. How is that not the mark of a great villain? She wants her own brother dead. But, she does have back story. We've seen her when she was a little girl in Zuko's flashbacks and even back then she was the same as we see her now. That's not good enough for some people. Some people think she has the potential for goodness because she was seen playing a ten-second game of Tag with her brother. She's sly, she's cunning, she's smart and knows how to get what she wants (i.e manipulation). She's a clever, awesome, brilliant and great villain. It's amazing how many fans choose to overlook such glaring facts in favor of their own wishful idealism. I'm not singling anyone out -- I'm trying to reinforce the facts about Azula's character. You've summed it up right there, Little Sis'.
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yiceman
Bosco
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Post by yiceman on Sept 11, 2007 19:25:05 GMT -5
Azula is like the complete villanous package. She isn't missing anything. Backstory? Who needs it? When have they ever gone in depth on a villain's backstory(don't say Zuko, he's not a villain)?
Heck, I pretty much wrote my own entire backstory for Long Feng, and while interesting, it's not needed.
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Maylene
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Post by Maylene on Sept 11, 2007 21:49:09 GMT -5
That's not good enough for some people. Some people think she has the potential for goodness because she was seen playing a ten-second game of Tag with her brother. That's mean. There's something that's not right though. Azula gave Zuko credit for the Avatar's fall, so that he may take the fall if it's proven wrong (which it will) to make him look bad in their father's eye. Why do it that way? Why not just make him look bad in Ba Sing Se? Why go throughall the trouble? Man and I thought Kikyou from Inuyasha was hard to figure out.
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Post by Fire Lord Azula on Sept 11, 2007 21:56:26 GMT -5
I'm sorry you feel that way, but I don't think it's mean at all. I've seen it used as as argument for her "inherent goodness" too many times to count, when it's clear that her role in the story is of a detestable villain. Really... we're not supposed to like this girl, from a narrative standpoint. We all have our reasons for liking her, but the show coerces us into rooting against her, as demonstrated by her behavior. There's something that's not right though. Azula gave Zuko credit for the Avatar's fall, so that he may take the fall if it's proven wrong (which it will) to make him look bad in their father's eye. Why do it that way? Why not just make him look bad in Ba Sing Se? Why go throughall the trouble? It's probably too early to tell at this point. If she did it all out of sadism -- well-within-character -- it certainly reinforces her villainy.
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