Saami
penguin
Zhao x Azula: Shine on you crazy diamond
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Post by Saami on Jun 5, 2009 20:47:24 GMT -5
Oh yes! Then no love for Azula! She does not want or need it, why should she have it? Honestly, I can't understand people who see Azula as an empty shell incapable of feeling anything, when it's very clear she does. Haaaa, that's not what I said at all. I never said she was an 'empty shell'. She mimics emotions and I think she feels some things, namely anger or jealousy. But I don't think Azula knows how to love someone. It'd might be something similar to love. But I just don't believe she's capable of actual love. Craving some kind of approval from Ursa doesn't necessarily mean she wants her mother's love. Ozai showered her with attention from a very early age and I don't think she understood why Ursa didn't do the same. And until somebody shows me some evidence of the contrary, then I'll stay set in my opinion.
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Post by Fire Nation Goddess on Jun 5, 2009 22:23:31 GMT -5
...She mimics emotions and I think she feels some things, namely anger or jealousy. But I don't think Azula knows how to love someone. It'd might be something similar to love. But I just don't believe she's capable of actual love. Whether or not she's capable of love is up for debate. I do agree that she doesn't really understand what love is or what it means. However, I'm still reluctant to state that she isn't (or wasn't at some point) at all able to love or care for someone. We may just need to agree to disagree on this one since much of this is speculative.
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Ilah
Aang
Misery Loves Company
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Post by Ilah on Jun 7, 2009 22:50:26 GMT -5
Oh yes! Then no love for Azula! She does not want or need it, why should she have it? Honestly, I can't understand people who see Azula as an empty shell incapable of feeling anything, when it's very clear she does. Haaaa, that's not what I said at all. I never said she was an 'empty shell'. She mimics emotions and I think she feels some things, namely anger or jealousy. But I don't think Azula knows how to love someone. It'd might be something similar to love. But I just don't believe she's capable of actual love. Craving some kind of approval from Ursa doesn't necessarily mean she wants her mother's love. Ozai showered her with attention from a very early age and I don't think she understood why Ursa didn't do the same. And until somebody shows me some evidence of the contrary, then I'll stay set in my opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree then. She can't be capable to love if she has not been loved first, one must say. But she certainly craved for something more from her mother. Not just the void attention (which in my opinion she confused with love) from her father. But something more. She wanted her mother to like her, as she quotes at "The Beach". She wanted her mother to treat her like she treated Zuko. She can't mimic that Ozai had her as one who has a tropy which can be shown to please and impress his father Azulon, like he does in that episode where she commands Azula to show her firebending to her grandfather. Not a very lovely father. That and a mother who did not give a dam n for her daughter. She did not have an easy life. If she could not care or love her friends who betrayed her, then she would not have suffered like she does at the end :s
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fuego
Pabu
Four Nation Health Care
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Post by fuego on Jun 24, 2009 1:21:29 GMT -5
Aren't most bad guys and girls consider "insane" since they don't fit the "norm"
I'm guess that I am one of the few that while delusional, still sane with the action she took.
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blak_cat
Katara
Avatar by KiwiesRuleXD Why yes I am an Aang fangirl thanx for asking...
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Post by blak_cat on Jul 2, 2009 10:55:45 GMT -5
Haaaa, that's not what I said at all. I never said she was an 'empty shell'. She mimics emotions and I think she feels some things, namely anger or jealousy. But I don't think Azula knows how to love someone. It'd might be something similar to love. But I just don't believe she's capable of actual love. Craving some kind of approval from Ursa doesn't necessarily mean she wants her mother's love. Ozai showered her with attention from a very early age and I don't think she understood why Ursa didn't do the same. And until somebody shows me some evidence of the contrary, then I'll stay set in my opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree then. She can't be capable to love if she has not been loved first, one must say. But she certainly craved for something more from her mother. Not just the void attention (which in my opinion she confused with love) from her father. But something more. She wanted her mother to like her, as she quotes at "The Beach". She wanted her mother to treat her like she treated Zuko. She can't mimic that Ozai had her as one who has a tropy which can be shown to please and impress his father Azulon, like he does in that episode where she commands Azula to show her firebending to her grandfather. Not a very lovely father. That and a mother who did not give a dam n for her daughter. She did not have an easy life. If she could not care or love her friends who betrayed her, then she would not have suffered like she does at the end :s I think she was always capable of love, but at a very early age she learned that manipulation worked better and felt no need for compassion. And because she buried the idea of compassion from such a young age she felt no attachment to her brother but had a natural connection to her mother. These hidden feelings of compassion towards her mother built and built and helped to drive her insane. So it was her capacity for love that caused her decline: her realization that she confused fear with compassion and actually does care about other people such as her mother and Mai and Ty Lee (the betrayal of those two is what sparked her mental deterioration). Everything she built her personality and life on came crashing down when her friends betrayed her. So she may not have loved others but she realized that she was capable of it and others were capable of loving her (her mother) and this drove her to insanity.
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Post by weirdaljedifan on Jul 28, 2009 4:16:20 GMT -5
She is INSANE, especially in the Finale. dang
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asian malaysian
Avatar Kyoshi
Let me hear you say this ship is bananas! B-A-NA-N-A-S!
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Post by asian malaysian on Jul 29, 2009 23:11:01 GMT -5
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. M&B are not mocked.
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Post by stardragonsword on Dec 14, 2009 2:00:42 GMT -5
well yes she does go insane but that just shows that she was never completely evil,that's just what I think though. She knew fake love from her father who gave her everything she wanted including false promises to the throne and was blinded by that falseness and rejected any natural love her mother would have offered her. She had no control over Ursa leaving which made her domineering and manipulative sides grow more and that's probably why she treated her friends like crap. If she controlled them completely they wouldn't leave her and she wouldn't have to get hurt again. But then when everything fell apart...bam! crazy. Sorry for the rambling haha
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Post by ZutaraSukkaTaang on Jun 13, 2010 3:47:24 GMT -5
Azula is an amazing character. <3333333333 She's easily my number one favorite on the show. Well, she may tie with my buddy, Zuko. I love completely evil characters. Azula is all that, and more. She has her sensitive moments. (Even if there is only one!) She did so much bad, yet I still felt sorry for her in her final moments. Hey, plus, she had blue flames. What beats that?!
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Post by shen on Jun 13, 2010 10:55:52 GMT -5
^ She is not completely evil according to Mike and Bryan. Below, is what they said about her in Sozin's Comet book exclusive interview on page 63:
“Is Azula really as evil as she seems? Or is there more to her?
Mike: As with all the Avatar characters, even Azula has a softer side, though it's buried very deep. As " The Beach" and " Sozin's Comet" showed, she has a lot of unresolved issues with her mother. She really feels that her mother didn't love her as much as Zuko, and this drives her crazy, literally.
Bryan: There are obviously some truly evil people in the world, but in the case of Azula, her repressed emotions and jealousies corroded her spirit and made her become that way. It is possible that she could turned out better in a healthier environment, but growing up in a royal family of a nation seeking world domination proved to exacerbate her problems. But Zuko and Katara spared her life, and who knows she might have a chance to heal."
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Post by ZutaraSukkaTaang on Jun 13, 2010 13:45:20 GMT -5
^ She is not completely evil according to Mike and Bryan. Below, is what they said about her in Sozin's Comet book exclusive interview on page 63: “Is Azula really as evil as she seems? Or is there more to her? Mike: As with all the Avatar characters, even Azula has a softer side, though it's buried very deep. As " The Beach" and " Sozin's Comet" showed, she has a lot of unresolved issues with her mother. She really feels that her mother didn't love her as much as Zuko, and this drives her crazy, literally. Bryan: There are obviously some truly evil people in the world, but in the case of Azula, her repressed emotions and jealousies corroded her spirit and made her become that way. It is possible that she could turned out better in a healthier environment, but growing up in a royal family of a nation seeking world domination proved to exacerbate her problems. But Zuko and Katara spared her life, and who knows she might have a chance to heal." Yeah, that's kinda what I meant when I wrote, "I love completely evil characters. Azula is all that, and more. She has her sensitive moments.". Thanks for posting that chat though, it was super interesting to read. I've always found Azula's personal problems fascinating: The reasons of why she went insane. <33 <33
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Leaf
Gran Gran
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Post by Leaf on Jun 30, 2010 7:39:08 GMT -5
Do we like the girl they got for her in the movie?
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Post by noblebender on Jun 30, 2010 10:15:59 GMT -5
I had started to think (more recently) that Mai and Ty Lee's betrayal, which ultimately led to Azula's insanity, was not just that. It wasn't just that she trusted them, and they betrayed her. I saw it as another case of her childhood coming back to haunt her. Ursa always loved Zuko more, and that is the root of all her problems. In Mai's case, it was ANOTHER case of someone loving Zuko more, choosing Zuko over her. And THAT drove her to finally snap. Then, like a cherry on top, Ty Lee sided with Mai - and in Azula's mind, she could easily see this as Ty Lee ALSO siding with Zuko over her.
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Post by shuki22 on Jul 2, 2010 18:10:21 GMT -5
azula scares me... like, im not kidding here, theres just something about her thats evil and twisted in some way. like ozai. they both have no care for there family whatsoever, starting when ozai agreed to kill zuko (he didnt, thankfully), then when he banished his mom, burning his son, scarring him for life (literally, though that can be said emotionally too). azula taunting zuko, "dads gonna kill you, dads gonna kill you!" appearing happy when ozai scarred zuko, telling ozai that zuko had supposedly killed aang, in case he wasn't dead. do i need to continue? im surprised that the fire nation didnt stop following ozai sooner, actually.
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Post by shen on Jul 4, 2010 19:30:58 GMT -5
^ Please refer to reply #710 in which mentioned what Mike and Bryan said about her.
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