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Post by spook on Feb 27, 2007 16:39:24 GMT -5
Zuko is less mature than Aang. And since the spoilers say Katara likes Aang back...I think this debate is pretty pointless. are you kidding me? you just bashed this thread ( as you were told not to) and you claim zuko is less mature then aang? how? zuko is a 16 year old kid who has already been through puberty, lost his mother, and faced many hardships as a kid. Aang is slowly maturing, but hell always be a fun loving kid who wants to play. I agree with the thread maker. Although i'd rather see Katang, i think Zutara would be better mature wise. Age does not define maturity. Playfullness does not define maturity. Actions define maturity. And though both are still immature, I fully agree with Gambitia on this one. Aang is more mature than Zuko. Especially when you look at season 2, there are numerous examples of Aang showing a great deal more maturity than Zuko. And my, this thread is old. November 2006? That goes way back.
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Post by yiceman on Feb 28, 2007 17:05:13 GMT -5
Folks are getting bored with no season and digging up old arguements. And Aang is plenty mature when he needs to be, but has fun when approproate as well. I'm not going to say which is MORE mature though, because their circumstances are too different for me to really feel we can make any definitive conclusions.
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Post by gothloli on Feb 28, 2007 23:10:35 GMT -5
^^^yep you about summed up everyone's frustation about a topic we already knew about or maybe it was just frustration about about no avatar. eh it's both!!
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Post by Dutchy on Mar 3, 2007 10:13:17 GMT -5
are you kidding me? you just bashed this thread ( as you were told not to) and you claim zuko is less mature then aang? how? zuko is a 16 year old kid who has already been through puberty, lost his mother, and faced many hardships as a kid. Aang is slowly maturing, but hell always be a fun loving kid who wants to play. I agree with the thread maker. Although i'd rather see Katang, i think Zutara would be better mature wise. Age does not define maturity. Playfullness does not define maturity. Actions define maturity. And though both are still immature, I fully agree with Gambitia on this one. Aang is more mature than Zuko. Especially when you look at season 2, there are numerous examples of Aang showing a great deal more maturity than Zuko. And my, this thread is old. November 2006? That goes way back. Aang mature... right squid,penguinsliding,i can do this,fish,momo all moments or things he's so childish with (and funny)
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Post by nandireya on Mar 3, 2007 18:09:05 GMT -5
Zuko can appear rather immature at times...especially in the first season...but he's a Prince...he's used to getting his own way. He's gotten a lot better though...
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Post by spook on Mar 3, 2007 18:24:04 GMT -5
Aang mature... right squid,penguinsliding,i can do this,fish,momo all moments or things he's so childish with (and funny) Give me one instance of this childlike goofiness displayed by Aang in season 2. Just one, I dare you. But obvious character development aside, yes, I would even call the playfull, happy, careless Aang more mature than Zuko. Why? Because he has a better sense of responsibility, his way of thinking relies more on planning and coordination, whilst Zuko always acts instinctively and impulsively, his social skills are better developped than Zuko's etc. Those are aspects that define one's maturity. Iroh, Gyatso, even Pathik have all displayed goofy, humourus and playfull charactertraits, would you call any of them immature? Just because Zuko is taller, has a deeper voice and is an angstypants, doesn't mean he's more mature than Aang, or anyone else for that matter. But to reiterate what I said before, and to disspell the notion that I find Aang mature and Zuko not: I think they're both immature. Aang is just more mature than Zuko.
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Post by zeega on Mar 4, 2007 0:29:37 GMT -5
I think Katara likes Aang too, I´ve just seen an episodewhere she proposes him to kiss,sometimes age is not a big deal when they have lived so many things together. And about zuko he may act likethat because all the things he had to live with his family, but he is not evil, he justeed to find the conidence to show it... I love that guy
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Post by night on Mar 4, 2007 1:09:00 GMT -5
Eww, why was this resurrected?
Anyways, I believe that the way you were brought up defines your maturity. People tend to learn from example, and how mature a person is depends on how mature the people they learned from were.
Aang was brought up by the monks, which clearly states that he has a high maturity level, seeing as the monk's attitude is very wise and adapting. It also corresponds to his element, too. Air can adapt, seeing as it is a gas, not a solid.
Zuko, on the other hand, was brought up in a less secure environment. The people who he was surrounded with, minus Ursa and Iroh, probably didn't teach him the best ways of dealing with things, obviously. And, going back to the corresponding elements, fire tends to be out-of-control and all, which contrasts with air's distinctive "personality".
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Post by sunshine60 on Mar 9, 2007 3:29:39 GMT -5
1.) Zuko: He commanded an entire firenation ship, was banished and burned, and is at least very motivated. 2.) Katara: She is Aang's waterbending teacher, her mother died, and she is a guiding force in the gaang. 3.) Aang: He couldn't handle his destiny and ran from it, he is often too goofy in serious situations, and he is also the youngest out of the three. Zuko: Has from the beginning angsted and whined. Put an entire island into danger for his trivial pursuit that was until recently, a wild goose chase. He has insulted his uncle, insulted those he believed were "lower" than him, been rude and disrespectful to his crew and to collaborators, been a spoiled prince who loudly complained about his lost in status. Stole from someone who fed them and tried to reach out to him and healed his uncle, stole from others just to get sense of splendor back, inappropriately insulted his elders, and ignorantly sided with his sister who tried to kill him before and consistently lies. I won't go into Katara Aang: May have ran away from his destiny (more like the thought of separation) but returns to face it with true aspirations. Aang listens to others advice and always tries to do right in the end, tries to do his duty as avatar, even at the risk of personal loss such as freedom, love and humanity, has faced a volcano to save a village even when everyone ran away, has put aside personal feelings for the betterment of the group, saved his enemy on more than one occasion, listened to Jeong Jeong in the end (which is more than I can say for Zuko to Iroh), Aang has on more than one occasion sacrificed himself or fought to save a village or a person that shunned him, returned a hostage that was in a trade where they received nothing, waited to face Azula rather than running away, stood with Toph's harsh training (that is until she completely yelled at him, then he returned later...). Aang's 12, lost his civilization, culture, friends, people, teachers, contemporaries, woke up in a war with people on both sides who can despise him and still manages to smile and try to be the Avatar and fulfill all his duties in under a year despite being a full 4 years younger than when most avatars even learn that they are avatars. And just to let you know, I can cite each and every example.
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Post by Avatar #1 on Mar 9, 2007 9:34:14 GMT -5
ok ok..you;ve got that putten quite good there sunshine60. i agree with you fully. and i dont see the point in carrying on this argument!
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Post by willbaker on Mar 10, 2007 9:20:24 GMT -5
hmmmm..... kataang may happen because the the amazing drama and shock in the CoD will mature aang up a lot, but it may lead to aang forgetting his feeling about katara when he masters the avatar state. zuko is similar to katar where they have been through much and had to grow up quickly so they share the same sort of emotions
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Post by yiceman on Mar 10, 2007 15:51:39 GMT -5
1.) Zuko: He commanded an entire firenation ship, was banished and burned, and is at least very motivated. 2.) Katara: She is Aang's waterbending teacher, her mother died, and she is a guiding force in the gaang. 3.) Aang: He couldn't handle his destiny and ran from it, he is often too goofy in serious situations, and he is also the youngest out of the three. Zuko: Has from the beginning angsted and whined. Put an entire island into danger for his trivial pursuit that was until recently, a wild goose chase. He has insulted his uncle, insulted those he believed were "lower" than him, been rude and disrespectful to his crew and to collaborators, been a spoiled prince who loudly complained about his lost in status. Stole from someone who fed them and tried to reach out to him and healed his uncle, stole from others just to get sense of splendor back, inappropriately insulted his elders, and ignorantly sided with his sister who tried to kill him before and consistently lies. I won't go into Katara Aang: May have ran away from his destiny (more like the thought of separation) but returns to face it with true aspirations. Aang listens to others advice and always tries to do right in the end, tries to do his duty as avatar, even at the risk of personal loss such as freedom, love and humanity, has faced a volcano to save a village even when everyone ran away, has put aside personal feelings for the betterment of the group, saved his enemy on more than one occasion, listened to Jeong Jeong in the end (which is more than I can say for Zuko to Iroh), Aang has on more than one occasion sacrificed himself or fought to save a village or a person that shunned him, returned a hostage that was in a trade where they received nothing, waited to face Azula rather than running away, stood with Toph's harsh training (that is until she completely yelled at him, then he returned later...). Aang's 12, lost his civilization, culture, friends, people, teachers, contemporaries, woke up in a war with people on both sides who can despise him and still manages to smile and try to be the Avatar and fulfill all his duties in under a year despite being a full 4 years younger than when most avatars even learn that they are avatars. And just to let you know, I can cite each and every example. That was basically just a list of all of Zuko's bad traits vs all of Aang's good traits. May I suggest you compare the good that Zuko has done and the bad that Aang has done? You'll probably come to the same conclusion, but that way it might seem a little less...biased. <--constructive criticism
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Post by azula28 on Mar 31, 2007 3:56:10 GMT -5
Didn't have time to read all the post but from an old person like me "28" if everyone waited for everyone to be "mature" nobody would get married. I think we look for someone who will love us no matter what and do everything for us and sorry although at 12 Aang is a little young and immature I would worry about Zuko in a relationship more since he is too self involved to really love anybody else.
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Post by Renoaru on Mar 31, 2007 6:20:30 GMT -5
I think 112 really fits Aang. Bwahahaha
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Post by dragonflly on Mar 31, 2007 12:37:13 GMT -5
I think Katara is pretty mature for her age, but being made to gorw up to fast it's easy to understand. She does have the tendency to be immature, don't we all.
Aang is mature when he has to be. He is fun, caring, loving and peaceful. This is who Aang is. He's still a kid so how mature could he possibly be.
Zuko, my poor poor prince, he's undergone so much in his young life. He has matured a little though out season 2, but yeah season 1 he was a spoiled prince who was used to getting his own way. His outbursts, insults, and disrespect are probably a direct result from the burning and banishment. He didn't seem to be those things when he was younger. His anger, hate and embarassment took over him and he lost a big part of his humility. If these things happened to you, would you be so perky, no. Aang has indeed lost alot as well, but he has the love of his friend, his new family. Zuko does not, he has Iroh. His crew probably thought of him as a spoiled prince from the beginning, their attitudes changed towards him when they learned what had happend. Zuko's towards them changed as well, a little, but the anger always won out. The anger is lessoning now and he is maturing as he goes. He'll get it right one day, I hope.
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